they're STILL trying to make Minecraft bedrock edition happen wtf who CARES

@lucy gen alpha on they're ipads

@lucy having to maintain two codebases at once has gotta be a major reason a lot of the newer updates have sucked ass

@lucy what’s that?

@arcana minecraft rewrite in c++ by microsoft to get rid of java but actually different behavior and none of the mods work either

@lucy why are they trying to do it?

@arcana @lucy legacy java codebase has fundamentals wrong is what i heard

@sun @lucy makes sense

@arcana if i had to guess:
- java is a horrible platform to build software on and it's been getting worse since about java 9.
- microsoft doesn't control the future of java, but the future of visual c++.
- performance of minecraft has been infamously terrible and partly due to it being java.

@sun @arcana @lucy bedrock edition is the wayland of minecraft.

Introduced as the eventual replacement of the original, is now older than the original was when it was created and still lacking feature parity.

@lucy @arcana also microsoft controls the store and gets a cut off of every purchase.

so if you want to get anything that closely resembles a mod, you gotta go through microsoft store

@VD15 @arcana @lucy @sun meanwhile luanti is done in C++

@mangeurdenuage @arcana @VD15 @sun c++ and lua and it's really good

@lucy @arcana @VD15 @sun
>and it's really good
It's better than mc but I've been trying Minetest before the migration of minecraft player to it and a major part of mods like mineclone2/voxellibre are full lua and it's a performance hog compared to c++ mods who were slowly doing that.
Old hardware like dual core X thinkpads series could load and run those without much issues, meanwhile my T510 can't play in fullscreen with voxellibre installed.
So it's great I agree, but I feel that people aren't using monocore or dual core hardware.

@mangeurdenuage @arcana @VD15 @sun yeah they target somewhat recent (15 years) hardware and i think that's quite reasonable

@VD15 @lucy they're also different in random ass ways

@lucy @arcana don't forget the mods are paid there

@snacks @arcana i didn't even know that holy shit

@lucy @arcana i think the console versions also had paid skins with gameplay effects

@snacks @lucy @arcana
MAKE BEDROCK SOVLFUL AGAIN (new 3DS port)

@lucy @sun @arcana @mangeurdenuage i’m playing on an i5-4210u that doesn’t actually have enough graphics power to handle the 1080p display i put in as an upgrade. and voxelibre runs fine. if i run it at half resolution (undersampling set to 2) it can even handle the expensive effects at 60 fps. looks a bit pixelated of course but that’s fine with this game

@lucy @sun @arcana @mangeurdenuage back when i played heavily modded minetest, the cpu hog wasn’t any of the lua code (iirc that’s using luajit anyway?) but block culling and so on. perf top showed it was all in irrlicht code. that part has been optimized a lot since then, so it’s running a lot better than it used to

@mia @sun @arcana @mangeurdenuage common luajit W

@mia @lucy @sun @arcana
I use a M620.

@mangeurdenuage @lucy @sun @arcana intel graphics or the nvidia stuff?

i’m using integrated graphics. the laptop does have a geforce 820m but i never got that to run anything at 60 fps…

are you sure it isn’t power/thermal throttling (because most thinkpads have issues with that)? or is it just bandwidth-starved by single-channel RAM? it should be more than powerful enough to handle that game otherwise.

@lucy @sun @arcana @mangeurdenuage yeah looking at reviews of that thinkpad even the exterior reaches almost 50°C. that’s impressively bad thermal design for a laptop with that much surface area. it must be throttling…

@mia @lucy @sun @arcana
Intel graphics.

>are you sure it isn’t power/thermal throttling
I'm pretty sure of that. I'm one of the few madmen who discovered by mirror polishing the heatsink you gain a very good amount of heat transfer.

>or is it just bandwidth-starved by single-channel RAM?
That is a good question, I can't recall the ram configuration on it. It's max capacity that's for sure.
Lemme check.

*-memory
description: Mémoire Système
identifiant matériel: 2a
emplacement: Carte mère
taille: 8GiB
*-bank:0
description: SODIMM DDR3 Synchrone 1334 MHz (0,7 ns)
produit: M471B5273DH0-CH9
fabricant: Samsung
identifiant matériel: 0
numéro de série: 61448FC0
emplacement: DIMM 1
taille: 4GiB
bits: 64 bits
horloge: 1334MHz (0.7ns)
*-bank:1
description: SODIMM DDR3 Synchrone 1334 MHz (0,7 ns)
produit: M471B5273DH0-CH9
fabricant: Samsung
identifiant matériel: 1
numéro de série: 00500486
emplacement: DIMM 2
taille: 4GiB
bits: 64 bits
horloge: 1334MHz (0.7ns)

Same ram.

@mia @lucy @sun @arcana @mangeurdenuage that's how new intel cpu turbo boost is supposed to operate i think

@mangeurdenuage @lucy @sun @arcana should be dual-channel then. my laptop has DDR3-1600 though, so it does have a little more bandwidth. i don’t think that’s making much of a difference though…

@snacks @lucy @sun @arcana @mangeurdenuage well my laptop’s CPU nominally runs at 1.7 GHz but it boosts to 2.7(!) without any issues. i never even replaced the thermal compound on the heatsink.

the air coming out of the fan vent does get pretty toasty at that point but the laptop itself doesn’t get very warm and the CPU peaks at 58°C when running stress-ng with both CPU and GPU loads

@mia @lucy @sun @arcana @mangeurdenuage i think moat intel laptop cpus can boost to over 100w nowadays, idea is that you can do that for short bursts while everythings soaking with heat

@snacks @lucy @sun @arcana @mangeurdenuage right, but the power cap is ultimately set by the laptop vendor.

i’ve just never seen a thinkpad with good cooling so i strongly suspect it’s actually throttling a bit rather than just not hitting its boost target

@lucy @snacks @sun @arcana @mangeurdenuage also that CPU is from like 2010 isn’t it? ironlake graphics was complete dogshit even back in the day. no idea how good the nvs 3100m is but i think it should be enough for voxelibre…

@lucy @snacks @sun @arcana @mangeurdenuage also with ironlake i wouldn’t be surprised if the only reason luanti runs like shit is that it’s using “modern” opengl features and half of them have to be emulated in software

@mia @snacks @lucy @sun @arcana

@mia @lucy @snacks @sun @arcana
>also that CPU is from like 2010 isn’t it?
Yes.
>ironlake graphics was complete dogshit even back in the day.
I clearly recall that I was able to have luanti/minetest at the time working on a X60 with a t2400.

@mangeurdenuage @lucy @snacks @sun @arcana well the main problem with intel graphics is bandwidth, and at 1024x768 that’s way less of an issue

@lucy maybe it's someone's passion project, like rust rewrites