god, i love SA usually, but on occasion it really fucking upsets me, like not that SA isn't great and all, but sometimes when i'm pushing it too much and i end up really wanted, and i go to do some shit, it places me surrounded by cops and i don't have a fucking chance to get what i need to get done done! and yet it resets when i leave the mission so what the fuck why not when i start it? so then I end up going back to playing with 4/5 again. anyways can't wait for gta 6!!!

@ube I wish you were here yesterday. I was literally playing GTA SA on stream.

@SuperDicq can't spoil it, I keep playing a bit into the game and restarting it months later, for an entire lifetime. i only just learned today that you can unlock other areas and stuff later on!

@SuperDicq i finally beat gta v though just need to restart gta iv again... i restarted gta v instead

@ube Oh yeah then I won’t spoil it I guess. I have played finished GTA SA hundreds of times and I probably have thousands of hours playtime racked up in my lifetime on this game so I also know the speedrun strategies and how to break mission scripts and such. I have completed every mission including the optional ones in two streams (12 hours total playtime).

I think I will make some highlight videos at some point, but I guess don’t watch those if you haven’t beaten the main story yet.

The later GTA games like 4 and 5 definitely hold your hand a lot more. But even then the cops in GTA SA are ridiculously easy to deal with when compared to GTA 3 or Vice City. In those games the cops are actually relentless.

@ube GTA IV honestly isn’t that good.

My favorites are either GTA SA (definitely most hours played) or GTA 2 (first cdrom game I ever played).

@ube i read this to completion and only at the end did i realize you meant san andraes nigga stop with the acronyms

@HatkeshiatorTND that was the point 🤓

@SuperDicq gta IV is really fucking good! wdym? its probably my favorite gta game

@SuperDicq i dont feel like its any more or less difficult in any of the games, tbqh, sa is roughly as difficult as vice city, 4, 5, whatever

@ube @SuperDicq you play the story at all?

@ube @SuperDicq it was just shooting spree simulator for me

@snacks @SuperDicq is it even possible to not plaqy the story mode ???

@ube @SuperDicq you get some cutscene at the beginning, hop on your bike and cheat in weapons

@ube @snacks It’s an open world game. There are many things you can do that is not related to the story.

@ube SA has a bunch of missions that might be harder when you play casually, but specifically the police in SA is easier than in 3 or VC.

@ube GTA IV has cool vibes and atmosphere, but in terms of features and worldsize it is a downgrade compared to both SA and V.

@ube Also GTA IV has the worst PC port of the entire series.

@SuperDicq @ube i thought GTA games before V were PC-first?

my favs are GTA2 and Vice City

@hj @ube No, only GTA 1 and GTA 2 were PC-first. All the other games starting from GTA 3 were console ports.

@hj @ube But GTA IV is definitely the worst one because it came with GFWL

@SuperDicq @ube could have fooled me. I never understood how people play those games with a controller. Having to aim and all of that. Not to mention RC Helicopter mission without a numpad.

(i still don't understand how people play shooters with (non-gyro, non-flickstick) controllers)

@SuperDicq @ube cockstar launcher in V isn't that much better either.

i wonder if revc is still developed somewhere underground

@hj @ube The keyboard controls in the 3D GTA era literally emulate a PS2 controller in the engine, that’s why multiple actions are bound to the same key.

Also it’s pretty easy to do flying without a numpad, I just remind those keys to IJKL and such.

As for the shooting, on console the GTA games just have lock-on aiming.

@SuperDicq @hj @ube San Andreas were a pretty damn bad port as well. I can't imagine playing that and thinking "Hot damn, this is PC gaming!"

@Phobos @hj @ube Not nearly as bad as GTA IV. That game was literally unplayable on release because of extremely bad performance on hardware at the time and GFWL bullshit.

@Phobos @SuperDicq @ube i literally played 3,VC and SA on PC without ever knowing that console versions existed at all and saw nothing wrong with the "ports"

in fact I modded the shit out of VC and SA, replacing cars with Ladas and toilets-on-the-wheel. One of the best mods is the one that replaced Faggio (vespa-like scooter) with a shopping cart.

@Phobos @hj @ube GTA IV has had so many patches to make it playable while GTA SA V1.0 is completely playable.

@hj @Phobos @ube Why do you think the 3D era GTA games have a 30 fps frame limiter? And why do you think the physics break if you unlock it?

@SuperDicq @ube yeah I learned about it much later. Autoaim always felt wrong to me. Even in Doom in modern source ports.

@SuperDicq @ube @Phobos idk, back in the day I didn't exactly care about 60 FPS and my PC wasn't top of the line either. Doom had 35FPS lock and I didn't complain.

I don't think I ever saw a 60fps patch but I do remember playing with revc and seeing some particle effects (fountain) freaking out if I unlock FPS tho.

But yeah, it's all clear to me now.

@hj @ube @Phobos If you liked RE3/REVC and you said GTA 2 was one of your favorites, so you might like https://github.com/CriminalRETeam/gta2_re

I am an active contributor to this project, should be fully decompiled in a few months if we keep going at this pace.

@SuperDicq @ube @Phobos ooh nice. I might check it out later.

@hj @ube @Phobos You can play right now but it is extremely hacky because you have the patch the original EXE with the decompiled functions on top of it (because it’s not 100% complete yet).

But once this is done this opens the way to compiling a native GNU/Linux version, fixing bugs, increasing resolution, and enjoying it being free software.

@hj @ube @Phobos That’s my dream right there. GTA 2 compiled with GCC, running natively using OpenGL and the multiplayer lag and desyncs finally being fixed.

@SuperDicq @ube @Phobos I have really only one, well, two requests for possible modern enhancements, if I may.

1) save anywhere.
2) mouse aiming.

@hj @ube @Phobos Baby wants easy mode and doesn’t appreciate the tank controls skill ceiling and roguelike mechanics.

@SuperDicq @ube @Phobos i knew i'd get shit for saying that. At least let me teleport to church for saving or a map, spending hours searching for a TV van and then minutes following its antenna just to quit the game is the worst aspect of it.

@hj @ube @Phobos I am also not a fan of the fact that they added checkpoints to missions in Sanandreas and stuff in modern rereleases.

Stop dumbing down my favorite video games for casuals.

@hj @ube @Phobos What do you mean you don’t know the maps by heart?

@hj @ube @Phobos Also to be honest the first time I played GTA 2 I didn’t even know saving was a thing and I beat the entire game without saving.

@SuperDicq @ube @Phobos i have topographic cretinism

@SuperDicq @ube @Phobos all three districts in one go?

@hj @ube @Phobos No, it saves which districts you have unlocked when you complete one.

@SuperDicq @ube @Phobos truth be told I don't remember much of the game, and I think I might have finished the game without saving, or at least finished first district. We had two versions of the game back in my childhood - one that had full translation but only the first district, and one that had partial translation and all districts, I don't remember which one I had. There were also a thing that one version didn't have multiplayer.

It's been probably more than 25 years.

@hj @Phobos @SuperDicq @ube Specs and performance don't matter. A good game is a good game. People use specs to cover up for the fact that they're playing ZOG trash made by feminists and fags in service of kikes.

@nicole @Phobos @SuperDicq @ube

@hj @ube @Phobos Have you ever played GTA 2 multiplayer? It’s the craziest shit.

@SuperDicq @ube @Phobos I might have played it once or twice at a "computer club"/netcafé

back before dota and cs became the only game playable there.

I don't remember much, I think it was fun but I sucked a lot being a kid with a chronic skill issue.

@SuperDicq its not that big of a difference IMHO

@ube It is. GTA 3 police is absolutely relentless and VC police uses spike strips and stuff. SA police does none of that.

Also you can literally abuse the horn button in SA and you can never get busted. When you sound the horn the cops will literally do the regular pedestrian animation thing where they stand still and flip you off and forget about busting you lmao.

@SuperDicq hell nah, maybe say something against GTA V, but GTA IV is WAY more featureful than GTAV,, you can barely go in anything on there, even compared to GTA IV standards, and its just more fun in general. GTA V is cool but you cant into go into jack shit, its an annoying sandbox

@snacks @SuperDicq very little

@ube What do you mean? GTA IV doesn’t have a lot of things such as have planes, or car mods, no RPG stats, no property purchases, etc.

@SuperDicq dont matter i'm playing all this shit on the PS3

@ube Yeah I mean that’s the console the game was designed for I think so that’s probably a better experience.

@SuperDicq @hj as it should be, bring back console gaming, pc first sucks dick, love muh hacked ps3 for piracy, i will play all GTAs on there!!!

@hj @SuperDicq skill issue

@hj @SuperDicq bet you never got high scores on halo fragging newbies

@ube @SuperDicq

@ube @SuperDicq i never played hola

@ube @SuperDicq @hj albeit PC is the ultimate piracy platform o algo

@hj @ube I played Halo on PC, the superior version.

@SuperDicq @ube that is another one of those things that I learned much later that it was on PC too, always thought it's a console exclusive.

To add to the pile also learned not too long that Star Wars Episode 1 Racer had an N64 port.

@hj @Phobos @SuperDicq

@ube @hj @Phobos He is right. This meme does not make a lot of sense.

@SuperDicq @hj @Phobos what a fuckgin nerd god damn

@SuperDicq @ube @Phobos what distro does RMS admires tho...

@hj @ube @Phobos The GNU endorsed distros like Trisquel, Guix, etc.

@nicole @Phobos @SuperDicq @hj erm, thats somewhat antisemetic, care to rephrase your statement to be acceptable to normal sane humans and not just /pol/tard election tourists? 🤓

@SuperDicq sounds liek a skill issue honestly

@hj @SuperDicq good four you its the ultimate battleground fighting for your skill

@ube @SuperDicq @hj Wait, actually? That's a real response by the man himself?

@ube @SuperDicq

@Phobos @SuperDicq @hj yeah? clearly, are you stupid?

@ube @nicole @SuperDicq @hj Yes, I'm sure a KiwiFarms instance user, member of Internet's best know groups of deep-rooted inclusivity and tolerance towards others, would love to correct this grave, no-doubt, misunderstanding.

@Phobos @ube @nicole @hj Honestly I’m really confused as to why the kiwifarms instance is suddenly back now? I thought it was gone for good and we successfully bullied these chuds of the fediverse.

@Phobos @nicole @SuperDicq @hj of course, it would be better than worshipping a hurtcore cp enjoying admin as if he's some saint ready to save and correct all else as an admin with the perfect moral views ^^;

@SuperDicq @ube @Phobos @nicole evil always comes back

@SuperDicq @hj @Phobos @nicole it shoudl have never came back, as the original instance that ruined fedi, it's just a bunch of failed normies trying to bully autistic people as if those people really give a shit about their retarded views

@ube @hj @Phobos @nicole In my mind it’s literally hateful autistic people bullying eccentric autistic people.

@ube @hj @Phobos @nicole Sometimes kiwifarms is iseful though. Like when they host material mainstream media doesn’t want you to see. Or when they dig up dirt on people who actually deserve it like Drew DeVault.

@SuperDicq @hj @Phobos @nicole oh for sure, but considering they all worship an admin on the lolcow harassment site who is the biggest lolcow worthy of actual hate for once of all time, i find it amusing. null is a hurtcore cp enjoyer, failed normie faggot, known far and wide on the blocklands forums as an insufferable lolcow, but they all worship him as if all his targets aren't just projection of who he really is trying to protect himself 🙏

@SuperDicq @hj @ube @Phobos @nicole Imagine having a drawing of a young girl as a profile pic.

@YouDoNotHaveTheRight @Phobos @nicole @SuperDicq @hj you dont fuck with lolicons? sad :(

@SuperDicq @hj @Phobos @nicole yeah. but its not some moral highground virtiue signalling shithole like they claim, the head admin is an obsessive sadistic pedophile and all the big "lolcows" they target are just projection of his qualities 🤷

@SuperDicq @Phobos @hj @nicole honestly and impressive skillful move for him to avoid all the hate toward him by making his own lolcow forum as if he's not one and ban anybody who calls him out and make it the biggest of all time, that's a skillful move, but that doesn't make him respectable, i can't like anybody who hurts kids, especially for mere sexual gratification

@SuperDicq @hj @ube @Phobos @nicole The people who deserve the KiwiFarms treatment are the ones who do actual harm and cause problems to communities. People Drew DeVault and XKeeper 100% deserve the KF treatment for cancelling people and subverting projects or in XKeeper's case preventing entire IP ranges from viewing a wiki because one user in said range visited a website they didn't like.

Other than that, I do not care about what some e-celeb may have posted 10+ years ago.

@hj @SuperDicq i feel like autoaim in gta is one of the few to do it well especially by the later games. it's not primarily a shooter, and the functionality of it works as a game mechanic in its own right and not just an assist for controllers. halo does it well too. most games dont

@hj @Phobos @SuperDicq the human eye can't see more than like 24-30 fps anyways, both have their technical historical reasons for being the numbers they are, but somewhere around there

@ube @hj @Phobos Except I can immediately notice it when a 144hz monitor is set to 60hz mode. I must be not a human then.

@SuperDicq @hj @Phobos this reminds me i NEED to play gta criminal russia, you think i can get it working on my henned ps3? i've been obsessed with console game modding again after that cool gmod on xbox video i saw, and i know gta sa has console mods and its doable, but i'm not sure how difficult it is to do myself. vastly prefer playing games on my modded 360/ps3 than on pc.

@SuperDicq lol. i didn't feel a big difficult difference with vice city police, tbh

@ube @hj @Phobos The mod in question is a DYOM mod, I don’t think you can use DYOM in GTA SA on PS3.

@ube @Phobos @SuperDicq and if you close one eye 12-15fps is enough

@xianc78 @SuperDicq @hj @Phobos @nicole i don't think drew devault deserves to be stalked doxxed and harassed because of petty internet drama, personally
he is a stupid hypocrite though and he deserved a good punch to his face

@SuperDicq @hj @ube Guess not.

@SuperDicq @hj @Phobos nope, your far worse than human, you're dutch

@SuperDicq @hj @Phobos damn

@ube @xianc78 @hj @Phobos @nicole Drew Devault harasses people using similar tactics, it is a pot calls the kettle black situation.

@SuperDicq @hj @ube You're not thinking big enough. Expand your vision and see the code for what it is: a mere binary representation of the hopes and dreams of a digital god forgotten by humanity. Reinstall GNU/+Linux again and try once more.

@Phobos @hj @ube Yeah sure you can’t do it on the PS3 version of GTA SA, but you can install the PC version of GTA SA on a PS3 with GNU/Linux and Wine.

@hj @Phobos @SuperDicq this post made me remember that you are a finnish. i'd probably treat them like unfunny germans, if not for the finnish blood in me. be thankful

@SuperDicq @hj @xianc78 @Phobos @nicole does he dox people and try to ruin their life and make them an hero? i dont know too much about that with him, all i remember is people getting mad at him for attacking loli stuff while being a lolicon, or for being a lolicon.

@SuperDicq @hj @Phobos you're right, i'll take the easier option, decompiling gta san andreas and porting it to ps3 by hand

@ube @xianc78 @Phobos @SuperDicq @hj @nicole drew devault deserved to be stalked doxxed and harassed for making systemd

@protos @Phobos @SuperDicq @hj @nicole @xianc78 oh right that is true, fuck that faggot. drew devault ruined gnu/linux or as i've recently taken to calling it gnu+linux with the freedesktop shit

@ube @hj @xianc78 @Phobos @nicole Devault has been actively trying to ruin Stallman’s life for years. Of course someone like Stallman is resilient and would never an hero because of someone like that, but that doesn’t mean Devault can be excused.

I am also not sure how Vaxry how feeling after being dogpiled by Devault fans. It definitely cost Vaxry a lot of money because people keep throwing a tantrum at companies who want to sponsor Hyprland because of whatever Devault wrote about him.

@ube @protos @Phobos @hj @nicole @xianc78 Drew Devault has nothing to do with systemd to my knowledge.

@ube @hj @Phobos I would unironically want to reverse engineer GTA SA one day. Half of the work is already done by the Re3/ReVC project, which shares the (an older version) of the same game engine.

@SuperDicq @hj @xianc78 @ube @protos @nicole No, he definitely does; probably. He seems like the type at least.

@Phobos @hj @xianc78 @ube @protos @nicole I don’t see him like the type at all. Isn’t he into Suckless type software? Which is like the opposite of systemd?

@SuperDicq @hj @xianc78 @Phobos @nicole i see, obnoxious. i really hate virtue signalling moralfags like that, i've yet to see one who didn't fit at least part of what they outwardly attack. but i dont think the correct approach to attacking people is to attack back harder. not in that manner. then you end up with people doing it over pettier and pettier things and justifying it to themselves like on twitter back in the day or on kiwifarms

@SuperDicq @hj @xianc78 @Phobos @protos @nicole drew devault has everything to do with systemd, he's the creator and maintainer. pulse audio and dbus too.

@ube @hj @xianc78 @Phobos @nicole I don’t think harassment is a good thing either. You are right that can result in a viscous cycle. I personally don’t partake in any of the actual harassment.

I just have a strong dislike for people like Drew Devault who are a big net negative for the software freedom movement as a whole and seeing this situation unfold does not surprise me in the slightest.

@SuperDicq @hj @xianc78 @ube @protos @nicole Honestly? I have basically no clue who he is. I only have so much room to keep track of irrelevant caricatures of actual human beings like that random ass-hat. What I _do_ know is that he's an insufferable supposed human being.

@Phobos @hj @xianc78 @ube @protos @nicole If you don’t want to know who any of the people in this thread are maybe just don’t bother interacting with this thread at all?

@SuperDicq @hj @Phobos i fucking love renderware and i cant stop watching videos of backports too it and shit https://youtu.be/2PkHGOd0Nq0
it's up there with torque and source 1 as my favorite engines to sperg out about

@SuperDicq @hj @xianc78 @ube @Phobos @nicole oh right I got the faggots mixed up

@ube @hj @Phobos Ok now that is very cursed.

@ube@tsundere.love @hj@shigusegubu.club @Phobos@eientei.org @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo historical reason is literally as it was easy to divide 60 into 30, 60Hz being the AC frequency in the land of the free (unlike the 50/25 eurochudzone) and 24 (actually 23.976) was the least painful sacrifice for the voodoo to get color signals to work on the existing network and black and white displays. Both numbers were blindly copied to videos and gaymen, even by the europoors (who by the same system would use 24.975/50 by the same methodology except they actually used 25 proving the point they blindly copied us without understanding why we did it) because their metric-poisoned brains lost the ability to associate numbers with physical realities and customs.

@lolitechengineer @hj @SuperDicq @Phobos i like the metric system, customary is just full legacy bloat and never made sense to my brain. even farenheight sucks, 100s is an extremely hot day, 0 is quite cold, the range is way to big, and its not based on any constants. people act like its the one good part of customary because it was some brit trying to make something really cold and really hot and measuring it, but celsius just works out better, i know exactly what i'm expecting across the usual range of like -20 to 30. and each range 0-10 kinda makes sense for weather, 30+ is unbearably hot, the 20s are hot and i can't stand more than 25 personally, 10s are a bit cooler, need a jacket, 0s need a coat, -10-0 is the mild snow winter, less is a stronger winter though around -10 is my comfort zone. fareignheit is too dense and all over the fucking place. what do you mean it freezes at 32 and not 0? nothing in the customary system makes any sense or has in basis in reality. anyways great bait 6/10

@SuperDicq @hj @xianc78 @Phobos @nicole see, that explains the disagreement then, i dont care about software freedom at all!

@SuperDicq @hj @Phobos theres gta v too, its like those stripped down mods for weak pcs or low storage, but actually cool. hl2 on goldsrc is cool too. and the gravity gun really impressed me when i played it. plus theres the volumetric smokes on goldsrc and shit too. i'd like to see a csgo backport

@ube @Phobos @nicole @SuperDicq @hj Okay, minus the doxing part.

@SuperDicq @hj @ube @Phobos @protos @nicole Suckless devs have been labeled "fascist" recently. I bet Drew avoids them like the plague.

@xianc78 @hj @ube @Phobos @protos @nicole Oh yeah probably but he did make Sway, but I don’t think he subscribes to the full Suckless idealogy anyways. Sway is like 5 times more bloated than i3 because Wayland.

@ube @Phobos @nicole @SuperDicq @hj I don't think Drew is doing these things out of moral principles. Most likely, he is just very narcissistic, and is using woke leftism as a cover.

Even before he started his blog and the projects he was known for, he was very infamous on calculator forums for hijacking communities and demanding that they cater to his narrow worldview. On Omnimaga, the forum he was most active on, he demanded that a MLP thread that he didn't have to participate in be locked and threatened to leave if it wasn't. He used the exact same tactic he uses now by pretending that everyone else shares the exact same opinion as him. Eventually, he got promoted to moderator status on the forum, only because of his programming skills and nothing else, and then abused his privilege by shutting down their IRC channel because he couldn't win an argument against someone, and deleting threads about projects he didn't liked.

This was all back in 2011 (pre-culture war). He acted the exact same way he does know, just without the politics (though he did try to push "Enlightened Atheism" down everyone's throat).

@xianc78 @ube @Phobos @nicole @hj

Most likely, he is just very narcissistic, and is using woke leftism as a cover.

I think so as well.

He recently decided to make a fork of Vim called Vim Classic because Vim contains LLM generated code nowadays.

So he made this website for it: https://vim-classic.org/

And it has a progress flag, a ukrainian flag and a palestinian flag right there in footer. The most obvious form of woke leftist virtue signalling.

@SuperDicq @hj @ube @Phobos @nicole To be fair, the original Vim still has Ukrainian flags on their website too.

@xianc78 @hj @ube @Phobos @nicole Sure, but not the others.

@SuperDicq @hj @xianc78 @ube @Phobos @nicole wait, this is the gta thread?

@SuperDicq @hj @ube @Phobos @nicole I'm surprised that he didn't include an antifa flag given that he included one on his blog.

@snacks @hj @xianc78 @ube @Phobos @nicole No, that one is in a different reply chain branch.

The GTA game thread is here: https://minidisc.tokyo/notes/anbjzj2bem

@SuperDicq @hj @xianc78 @ube @Phobos @nicole op is clearly about gta

@SuperDicq @hj @ube @Phobos @protos @nicole He is (was) a fan of Vim and Suckless thinks that even Vim is bloat. These are people who think that configuring should be done on the source code level.

@ube @Phobos @SuperDicq @hj I can tell the difference between 50Hz, 60Hz, 120Hz, 144Hz and 165Hz.

The reason ~25 fps was historically chosen, was because that was the minimum refresh rate that would be perceived as motion, without inducing much motion sickness, by most people, while also not using too much film (after all, 25 film frames a second is a lot).

Decent video is at minimum 60fps.

The human eye is not a camera - it doesn't have a refresh rate - although above 1000-1500Hz, you can't tell a difference with more Hz.

@Suiseiseki @Phobos @SuperDicq @ube 50hz for Euros. 60/50 frequency was selected so that AC lightbulbs won't be seen as flickering

@hj @Phobos @SuperDicq @ube That is not true - after all, 50Hz & 60Hz LCD's don't visibly flicker under lights that flicker at different mains frequency (decent lighting doesn't flicker at all and barely acceptable lighting flickers at 100 or 120Hz).

It likely had something to do with how different parts of the world arbitrarily chose 50Hz or 60Hz AC mains frequency and much later home CRT TV's became common and either 50 or 60Hz was chosen, as it saved an extra clock circuit, to just reuse the mains frequency.

@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @ube@tsundere.love @Phobos@eientei.org @SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @hj@shigusegubu.club watching movies at 23.976 FPS is nauseating whenever they do a panning shot.
I also attribute a huge chunk of the fall of 3D movies to low FPS. (The next largest chunk is bad color matching/backscreens causing ghosting)

@lolitechengineer @hj @SuperDicq @ube @Phobos 23.976 FPS is nauseating even without panning shots.

Decently mastered movies are shot at 48+fps, such as the hobbit trilogy for example.

Yes, 3D movies that weren't 48fps would cause nausea in a lot of people.

@SuperDicq @hj @ube @Phobos Unless the binaries are available under a free software license, decompiling software just results in illegal proprietary software.

The only way you can get a free software version, is if the game is cleanly rewritten.