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You are clinically retarded if you think 1938 Europe wins btw and I do not respect you

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@vriska making vriska stream openfront matches
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@vriska Algeria alone could solo 1939 Europe lmao. They don't have radars!
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@vriska i don't think i ever realized ww2 was basically done in 6 years
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@snacks @vriska fun fact: the war in ukraine has lasted like several months longer than soviet involvement in the second world war by now
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@chjara @vriska idk about 1939 but maybe later in the war they'd have enough planes to just overwhelm air defenses?
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@vriska 1939 Europe has a chance if it starts slow enough that they can capture tech and start replicating it, loses if it's a "deploy all manpower for ground invasion, the war must be done by christmas" scenario
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@vriska why do you care what a bunch of bots think about a nonsensical scenario
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@snacks @vriska Even with number advantage, WW2 planes sucked really bad. As mentioned, no radar, any fighter more modern than 1960 could take on a pretty much arbitrary amount of Yak-1s without even being seen.
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@chjara @vriska don't think they could pull of an actual invasion anyway
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@icedquinn what is open front that sounds fun

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@nerthos I could solo half of 1939 Europe if I turned my acty into a techy

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@vriska These have been basically the same since the 20s
The tech gap isn't so massive that a bunch of engineers couldn't get to 70% of it within a year with captured gear, at least for infantry gear, and then it's about willingness for endless guerrilla war.
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@nerthos @vriska i don't think they'll bootstrap advanced semiconductors in a year or 2
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@coolbean @vriska @snacks WW2 was an existential war for everyone involved, there was no way in which it wasn't over quickly. Meanwhile the war in Ukraine is largely a war of attrition (that Russia isn't even treating as a war with full mobilization, "special military operation" is legal shenanigans more than anything.)
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@snacks @vriska Absolutely not, air superiority is unreachable, but you look at places like Syria and they've contested terrain for years with late 30s/early 40s guns.
Hypotethical Africa can't lose a direct battle without being immensely retarded but they can lose by logistics in the long run.
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@chjara @vriska @snacks everyone involved except the us which just stood to lose its pacific colonies
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There's a lot of things to unpack from this, but replicating technology isn't one of them. Reverse engineering stuff would take them years.

The big thing is if there is no outside help or supplies Europe's industry can rapidly replace their loses and Africa's can't. Countries like Egypt will be a tall order but in a prolonged battle of attrition they'll eventually run out of missiles to shoot down planes with. If South Africa still had nukes I'd say Africa but they gave them to the Israelis so Europe wins after catostrophic loses.
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@Deplorable_Degenerate @vriska Neither of them can realistically invade and mantain full control of the other in that scenario so give or take a few years/decade it has to settle with "we're both too spent let's go back to mostly old borders"
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@Deplorable_Degenerate @vriska Also the level at which "replicating technology" is doable is semi-auto infantry weapons, rocketry, jet engines. No computers, maybe radar after a bit. Enough for unending guerrilla.
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Not unplausible, and in the opening moves Africa is bombing the shit out of them and hurting their industry.

But I think if the British, French, and Italians can keep their fleets in tact an invasion could be in the cards later. Big if tho
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@nerthos @Deplorable_Degenerate @vriska
the situation among african states is very lop-sided.
if egypt could be excluded from the african coalition, the situation would change drastically.
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@fluffy @Deplorable_Degenerate @vriska Still Algeria with those Su-30s could just shoot down anything that could fly in 1939 without being touched once. It really comes down to giving up on air superiority and fucking with their logistics as much as possible.
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@nerthos @Deplorable_Degenerate @vriska
You're going to shoot down 119,871 WW2 aircraft with 72 of these?
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@fluffy @Deplorable_Degenerate @vriska Yeah. Provided there's enough fuel and ammo it's doable, no air defense of the 30s can hit a supersonic jet.
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@fluffy Strike from north africa, erase opposing air force while taking territory, establish forward airbases. It has a 3000km range so a consistent push is doable. The role of air power is to secure the advance of ground troops anyway.
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