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nyanide@lab.nyanide.com
I swear to God I fucking hate Discord with all of the passion in my god damn heart.
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nyanide@lab.nyanide.com
I can't even get away from it with some amount of confidence:
- SMS isn't an option -- the Chinese are inside the grid
- XMPP is extremely unfriendly to new users
- Matrix is a mixed bag, official implementation is the Google Chrome of the Matrix world
- IRC is too dated, it has none of the modern features Discord people like, like no permanent channels out of the box
- SMS isn't an option -- the Chinese are inside the grid
- XMPP is extremely unfriendly to new users
- Matrix is a mixed bag, official implementation is the Google Chrome of the Matrix world
- IRC is too dated, it has none of the modern features Discord people like, like no permanent channels out of the box
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mangeurdenuage 
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mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
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nyanide@lab.nyanide.com
Listen, I've stated my hatred for Discord multiple times, I have tried to get friends off of it for *years* nothing fucking works. You can go ahead and look at me as a chud if you really want, but I'm a normal person and I expect others would probably experience very similar experiences if they try converting their friends away from Discord.
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@nyanide use kiwiirc chud
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@denza252 I unironically had some less savvy friends use that and somehow they couldn't figure out changing their name without /nick'ing manually every time they signed into my IRC. It was really silly.
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@nyanide
I used XMPP before and I think it's really not that bad, the tricky part is finding the right providers.
I used XMPP before and I think it's really not that bad, the tricky part is finding the right providers.
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nyanide@lab.nyanide.com
@denza252 And people still yell at me the options I've already tried!
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@nyanide @denza252
I mean discord is extremely popular, just like google chrome, youtube and stuff like that. And it's impossible for a lot of people to leave when all of their friends are on discord and they don't wanna leave them for another website. I tried out matrix, it has the worst people on it that I could think of, with discord you can get a mixed of both, but it has a really good community at least to me
I mean discord is extremely popular, just like google chrome, youtube and stuff like that. And it's impossible for a lot of people to leave when all of their friends are on discord and they don't wanna leave them for another website. I tried out matrix, it has the worst people on it that I could think of, with discord you can get a mixed of both, but it has a really good community at least to me
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Maija (Happy Sperg Housewife Arc) 🇱🇻 
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@nyanide actually popular as alternatives: telegram, maybe signal a little bit, previously skype (rip)
ig irc is actually popular also but yeah too dated for normies and zoomies. permanent channels is probably the least of your issues though, id argue the need for a bouncer for history and no inline upload is what is more of an issue for these types
ig irc is actually popular also but yeah too dated for normies and zoomies. permanent channels is probably the least of your issues though, id argue the need for a bouncer for history and no inline upload is what is more of an issue for these types
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@nyanide https://thelounge.chat/ i haven't really used this one but it's probably even more noob-proof than kiwiirc (i base this on nothing)
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@Jojothegoodperson XMPP isn't bad if you have at least a minor knack for computers, but getting others used to it was an unexpected challenge, like there's basically no clients for iOS and having to tell people what a 'domain' is because some clients straight up ask you what your server is by asking what your domain is, is tedious.
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@Jojothegoodperson @nyanide simple my ass they keep adding pointless buttons
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@nyanide not everyone's able to get in the lounge bozo, gotta keep the riffraff out
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@denza252 @nyanide
Well compared to matrix and xmpp, where you can enable end to end encryption which requires both parties to verify. And it's not popular because it's doesn't have a sense of community, except for those that are very interesting in linux like me for example. And omg kde plasma is awesome
Well compared to matrix and xmpp, where you can enable end to end encryption which requires both parties to verify. And it's not popular because it's doesn't have a sense of community, except for those that are very interesting in linux like me for example. And omg kde plasma is awesome
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@nyanide @Jojothegoodperson siskin is a decent app for ios. it hasn't been updated in a while but i think it still active
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@nyanide so true king couldnt agree with you more
also btw add me on discord
also btw add me on discord
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@Jojothegoodperson @nyanide Jojo is back again? Hey, what's up?
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@Jojothegoodperson @nyanide yeah like privacy is important but revealed preferences show people value convenience more, and dislodging established players is tough. Not to mention, it's a self-reinforcing thing where the bigger some platform gets the harder it is to move off since "nobody else is there"
All new vids on VidMe btw
All new vids on VidMe btw
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@denza252 @Jojothegoodperson Not like I care about it all that much too, if I were concerned about it I would be like sysrq would be all over Tor. I just wish people would move to something that's not Discord and that's not run by a corporation.
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Maija (Happy Sperg Housewife Arc) 🇱🇻
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@Jojothegoodperson @nyanide the one country which is a threat with telegram is ironically enough france, since the whole arrest
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@denza252 @nyanide
Convenience? I don't know, I feel like it's the peer pressure for people to get on those apps since literally everyone else is using it. And discord does have a very modern look and design to me at least, compared to other social messengers I used like matrix and XMPP for example, which have kind of old designs, but are very good with privacy. So I think appearance is extremely important as well.
Convenience? I don't know, I feel like it's the peer pressure for people to get on those apps since literally everyone else is using it. And discord does have a very modern look and design to me at least, compared to other social messengers I used like matrix and XMPP for example, which have kind of old designs, but are very good with privacy. So I think appearance is extremely important as well.
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@nyanide I’ve recently been enjoying DeltaChat
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@denza252 @Jojothegoodperson Aside: I tried self hosting Revolt actually, and that's a mess of a project, like there's no admin panel out of the gate so you have to deal with MongoDB hell, when I installed it a part of revolt was just straight up broken, and they don't support self hosting without a docker container really. Absolute shitshow of a project.
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@SuperDicq I've heard of it, maybe I'll play around with it later.
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@nyanide It’s literally email with GPG but in a fancy chatlike client. The protocol is so simple it almost makes all other chat client look stupid and overcomplicated.
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Maija (Happy Sperg Housewife Arc) 🇱🇻
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@Jojothegoodperson @nyanide so the bare minimum they can legally get away with providing while running the service? as little as signal tells you? literally just easily mitigated metadata?
cool
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@authen People have cold called me on there randomly more than once. SMS but by Facebook basically, really silly stuff.
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@Jojothegoodperson @authen The grid.
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You can disable the bouncer feature and have just a web client, see https://demo.thelounge.chat/ . But you probably want a bouncer for your friends anyways if you tried to replace Discord with IRC. No fucking idea if it has an "app for iOS" (maybe it being a PWA is enough to get a home screen icon?).
CC: @denza252@shitposter.world
CC: @denza252@shitposter.world
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Maija (Happy Sperg Housewife Arc) 🇱🇻
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@Jojothegoodperson @nyanide discord does and shares actual contents. ip and phone number does not matter. message contents do
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@nyanide its a xmpp fork actually did u know that
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@authen A couple of companies have just taken the standard and used it as a base for their own thing. Wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened with WhatsApp initially. Definitely doesn't federate.
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@nyanide i think at the start it federated a little but it doesnt anymore
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raf@brain.worm.pink
raf@brain.worm.pink
@nyanide - simplex not even mentioned 🥀 is it over simplexbros? is this recoverable? no, you cant even see that its actually dead because ur smp server is down. who are you replying to FragrantBalloon? I cant see their messages. it is unequivocally over.
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@nyanide
>Matrix is a mixed bag
once you actually get a room up and people on it it seems to work alright but trying to get past that verification shit with friends is literally one of the most frustrating processes I've ever experienced in my life. It is only through the power of our mutual autism that we endured just so we could have fucking voice chat on a game sever
>Matrix is a mixed bag
once you actually get a room up and people on it it seems to work alright but trying to get past that verification shit with friends is literally one of the most frustrating processes I've ever experienced in my life. It is only through the power of our mutual autism that we endured just so we could have fucking voice chat on a game sever
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@nyanide I struggled to even get most of the team who made my game on to discord and off Facebook. I had to make another Facebook account to keep in contact with them.
Most people really do not want to download another thing even if the thing they currently use isn't the best
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@nyanide how do you convert others to anything that isn't discord when everything else will eventually have some meme broken moment and your friends will point out "this just works on discord".
Wanna know the real discord competitor though? Telegram.
Wanna know the real discord competitor though? Telegram.
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@RustyCrab @nyanide We had issues with matrix so we relied on steam's voice chat feature and it seemed to work fine.
I logged back in to my account and for some reason device verification is broken. Who do I blame? The phone app? The laptop app? The instance? The instance server software? who knows!
I logged back in to my account and for some reason device verification is broken. Who do I blame? The phone app? The laptop app? The instance? The instance server software? who knows!
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theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe
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Maija (Happy Sperg Housewife Arc) 🇱🇻
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@maija @mischievoustomato @nyanide
Well considering what happened during the last elections and the recent changes in the legislative, for example the trump administration is considerating the legal right to challenge detention, I think that this is pretty bad tbh
Well considering what happened during the last elections and the recent changes in the legislative, for example the trump administration is considerating the legal right to challenge detention, I think that this is pretty bad tbh
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Your literal dad
lunarised@whinge.town
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@Jojothegoodperson @nyanide The same. You?
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