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okay guys i take everything back i love arch linux
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𝔻𝕀𝕃𝔽 (𝒇𝒊𝒅𝒅𝒍𝒆) 𝙏𝙉𝘿 nazbolrusempirerusrbsrb

@lain@lain.com take that back
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@lain But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Arch Linux.
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@lain FF 2 months from now when something breaks because you didn't update frequently enough.

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@phnt @lain what's a good "almost never update" distro that steam runs on (i already have a "never update" distro
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@hakui @lain I think you want two incompatible things. Play games and almost never update.

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@phnt @lain well yeah the game partition will be getting updates begrudgingly, i just don't want to Always Update like arch
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@hakui @lain In reality you don't need to update Arch that often. Once a month is probably enough. But the distro you want doesn't really exist. Closest to that would be Fedora, but that has its own weird brain worms.

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@phnt @lain yes i'm considering fedora actually what are its brain worms
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@hakui @lain Or maybe OpenSUS Tumbleweed if you can handle a G*rman distro.

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@hakui @phnt honestly bazzite, it uses some container scheme for updates so it supposedly can't break because you can always roll back
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@hakui @lain SELinux being paranoid (you can disable it at least), non-free stuff outside of repos and in rpmfussion, and their love for flatpaks.

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@lain @phnt didn't it just krash on your machine
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@hakui @phnt @lain all of them, steam auto updates it's own runtime bundles for you
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@hakui @phnt @lain there's billion rpm repos and they break them every system upgrade (6 months)
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@phnt @lain @hakui barely update arch twice a year and it works just fine, helps to have an install that's been stable for a decade and only breaks when upstream does it deliberately, which is inescapable
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@i @phnt @lain i've had my current distro for 3 years and the only thing i've updated was my browser (because sites keep changing their minimum version requirements
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@hakui @phnt @lain you can get away only updating the browser and other minor stuff but it's not easy to set up for people bad with computers
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@romin @lain @hakui Right, I forgot hakui isn't good with computers. Mint would be a great option then.

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@phnt @romin @lain don't you have to update that all the time as well
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@romin @lain @phnt not being good at computer is exactly why i don't want to update all the time!!
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@romin @lain @phnt once a year is for like dental checkups not for updating
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@i @phnt @lain @hakui yeah that's pretty much my experience with arch. Works fine so long as you remember to not update packages individually.

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@VD15 @i @lain @hakui Most of the "Arch broke" moments are usually thanks to an outdated keyring that cannot verify signatures of new packages. That's an easy fix.
luke-smith-arch-broke-again.mp4
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@i @phnt @VD15 @lain both ends of the curve should be "i don't use arch" though
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>[redacted] site stopped working in non-private mode, even after clearing cache etc
>update firefox first time in more than a year
>site works again

obama you nigger you made me a racist
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@hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info @i@declin.eu @phnt@fluffytail.org @lain@lain.com fun fact: alot of these minimums are artificial. If you change your browser's useragent string to claim a newer version magically many of these sites will work again on the same old browser.
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@lolitechengineer @lain @phnt @i i used to do that until it actually broke

then i thought, i'm forced to update eventually either way so
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@phnt @hakui Considering, that Steam uses its own library pack and thus is almost completely untied from the OS, it needs just an OS that doesn’t fuck itself up and user not breaking it. The only problem may be proton, which is Vulkan-based by default. So the OS has to have recent Vulkan compatible with the hardware (and hardware with Vulkan support). I remember there was an environment variable to disable Vulkan and relay queries to native D3D, but
 - mostly only old games, that use DX9 will run;
 - some games, that for some reason were built exactly for DX10 may run, but will be slow or often have glitches;
 - DX11 and DX12 won’t run.
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GIRLS' FRONTLINE MADNESS CHAPTER - Episode 02 [1080p CN VER] 00:00:44.833.jpg
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@dorkvalized @hakui Yeah, new enough Vulkan and kernel GPU drivers are mostly the only reasons why you wouldn't want to run Steam on something like Ubuntu LTS. DirectX does not work on Linux, so your only option is Vulkan (almost nothing supports OpenGL).

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@phnt @lain @hakui i haven't needed flatpacks yet, not sure what you mean. It's not like ubuntu where it's hard to get a non-snap browser
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@snacks @lain @hakui Firefox is a flatpak on Fedora I think and Libre office as well.

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@twinspin6 @lain @snacks @hakui Interesting, they really wanted to get rid of these two rpms because they were "too difficult to maintain".

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@phnt @lain @hakui wait sorry, i thought this was about opensus somehow
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info @lain@lain.com SELinux and Guix are locked in a perpetual war on my computer.
These two programs really do not get along well on Fedora. SELinux keeps cucking guix on permission rights on its own directories and package management.
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@lolitechengineer @lain @hakui Write a policy for it then. Or set SELinux to Permissive/Disabled.
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @lain@lain.com @hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info it's a terrible fate, too bad there's nothing that can be done about it.
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@phnt @lain @hakui > and their love for flatpaks.
this breaks my heart because I loved running Fedora but not having software I need SUCKS.
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@lain how are you using it so far? do you use AUR? if so, consider using chroot build support
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@mischievoustomato i barely use any aur, so far i don't really need that much software that isn't packaged (or so complicated that i run it under podman anyway, like comfyui)
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@lain fair enough, i like stuff native. On NixOS most (99%) stuff I want is already packaged, or has an easy to use flake. Even koboldcpp has its own.
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