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self driving cars are dead at least for a few decades

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@anemone nobody can fuckint drive it's just when computers do it wrong it's somehow worse than if people do it wrong
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@anemone @lucy normal people don't want to live in the city this is what anti car people don't understand. The American dream is being far away from diversity and crime and owning your own land to do whatever you want on. I will trade 10 minute drives to the grocery store if it means I don't have to be near loud ethnic people.
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@anemone public transport is killing time, usually expensive af, unreliable, you risk getting harassed. i wish i had a car
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@lucy @anemone AI driving is the equivalent of hooking up a drunk parrot to the CAN bus

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@anemone @lucy imagine never seeing the milky way ever in your life. Can't be me. I'm not a cuck that lives in the city.
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@anemone nope not here
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Lucy [hiatus era] 𒌋𒁯

@anemone long term cars are cheaper
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@lucy@netzsphaere.xyz don't believe you. they're not cheaper anywhere

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@lucy@netzsphaere.xyz they're not lmao. a car is a depreciating asset

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@mia @anemone avg 70+ year old car driver TBQH
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@lucy @anemone which shows a very big problem with how the funding of public infrastructure is distributed

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@mia@movsw.0x0.st @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz still doubt it's true. people always underestimate how expensive car ownership is

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@anemone @lucy americans fail to understand how useful having a car is for literally anyone except people with time to spare, people living downtown and coping american urbanites
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@anemone @lucy I bought my car for $2000 including all the registration fees
I repaired my car with $1000
I pay $100a month to have both my cars insured
This is ideal because I don't have to share a bus with smelly homeless people and loud ethnic people
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@anemone @mia @lucy everyone i know owns one. not a big deal, i can get around anywhere in it
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@anemone @lucy especially in germany. fuel costs are one thing but you also get to pay taxes, mandatory insurance, etc.
plus the cost of maintenance.

i don’t believe for a second that this is cheaper than public transit.

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@creamqueen@clubcyberia.co @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz you're not including fuel and continuing maintenance. also the majority of people don't do all the maintenance work themselves so that's another cost

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@mia @anemone also i found this
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@creamqueen @anemone @lucy >I don't have to share a bus with smelly homeless people and loud ethnic people
thats a retarded non issue, cars are just better, even if I wouldn't mind taking a bus or plane or train sometimes
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@meso @anemone @lucy cities are literally meant for visiting, not living in. Why would you want to live in a city? Too much crime and high cost of living. No thanks. I'll take a single-family zoned house that costs as much to own in a year as renting a pod in the middle of new york for 5 years
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@creamqueen @anemone @lucy >Too much crime and high cost of living.
thats not the issue dawg
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@anemone @lucy i know i said americans but i meant the rare type of internet americans who hate cars
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@anemone @lucy I've never in my life not been able to get anywhere because fuel costs something nor have I not been able to eat because of the cost of fuel. $50 a month is less than city cucks spend on doordash every week anyway
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@mia @anemone depends on the car.
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@meso@the.asbestos.cafe @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz im not talking about country bumpkins who have a use for cars why do you losers always try to derail the conversation into this?

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@meso @anemone @lucy you will live in the pod ($3500 a month)
You will be robbed by Jamal
You will own nothing
And you will be happy
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@lucy@netzsphaere.xyz @mia@movsw.0x0.st if you have one of those fake sportscars made of clay kids in SE asia make for fun maybe

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@lucy @anemone how do I get harassed in public transport? I'm bored af
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@anemone @lucy its not just country bumpkins its people who dont live in shitholes with jacked up rent and no freedom to do anything
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@lunarised @anemone @lucy I drove without insurance for like a year then I got pulled over. Only way out of the ticket was to get insurance by a deadline
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@creamqueen @anemone @lucy Oh, i forget its illegal not to have it in yank-town
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@mia @anemone deutschlandticket changed that tbf.
still i take 2h to get home at night after work instead of 15min if i had a car.
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@anemone @lucy i dont see why, this thread is clearly about the utility of public transport, and public transport is just very inconvenient and restrictive if you don't live in a city, even if you live in a city it's pretty shitty not being able to get around
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@lucy @anemone @mia yeah exactly it takes fucking forever if you're far away from where you work and it's really tiresome waiting for that shit
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@lucy @anemone yeah public transit is complete ass once you leave city boundaries

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@mia@movsw.0x0.st @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz the average cost of car ownership in the US is $10000 a year. I imagine it's more in Germany. I can't imagine how public transit would cost more than that unless you're taking international train trips every day.

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@meso @lucy @anemone the worst case is when you live in some place that doesn’t have a train station. that’s how it ends up taking 2h for a 15min trip

layovers, buses that only run once an hour, etc

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@anemone @mia > 10K
doubt. that's an insane amount of money i doubt most people even have
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@meso @lucy @anemone but if you live in a city with good rail infra? public transit is less of a hassle, and often faster during peak hours

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Lucy [hiatus era] 𒌋𒁯

@snacks @anemone my legs :(
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@lucy @anemone i’d say in general americans have a very different relationship with debt than germans 🙃

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@mia @anemone @lucy yeah. owning a car is still nice especially if you like have hobbies or want to be self sufficient but in a city public transports the best option practically
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@anemone @mia @lucy i dont want to but in but that is the mostly irrelevant and unrepresentative average ever. an average across a group that spans 3k junker cars to 30k new to 300k sports cars is hardly representative for the cost of car ownership
that would be the costs at the bottom sorry, if somebody is paying 10k a year for car owernship they are fucking stupid, in any country. that's absurd
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@snacks @anemone @lucy if youre not uphill and dont have to carry too much shit its a fun and often times faster alternative

make sure you dont live a long way uphill though. like a little but of uphill is fine like 400m you can do that but if its over 2 kilometers of uphill its gonna be a fucking BITCH and it will make you not want to bike especially if you arent very physically active in the first place and are trying to be
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@mia @anemone yeah.. well, loans are common here too sadly for cars houses etc
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@anemone @mia i hope to save up 10k in like 5 years it's insane to *spend* that every year, can't imagine how
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Lucy [hiatus era] 𒌋𒁯

@snacks @meso @anemone you're not 174 now that you don't slouch anymore
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@lucy @anemone never happened to me. Do I not exist?
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Lucy [hiatus era] 𒌋𒁯

@snacks @anemone @meso you're not 7cm smaller than me
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@snacks @anemone @lucy holy shit

well for someone who isnt all that physically active it's quite tough. I can do it now easily but it used to be extremely exhausting couldnt go even 200 meters up a really not all that steep road back home. that was cuz i rarely went outside but biking is really fun now that i biked a ton in the summer and got that strength back. will start biking again once i fix up my bike (I CANT FUCKING TAKE THE PEDALS OFF GOD DAMMIT)
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Lucy [hiatus era] 𒌋𒁯

@snacks @anemone i hate helmets and cops and i hate bavaria and bicycles.
oh oh do you remember the time i was high af on a bicycle almost crashing into a cop on the Landstraße?
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@meso @anemone @snacks snacks is a gorilla tho (both muscles and body hair)
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@anemone @mia @lucy bullshit lmao thats more than what most people here make in a year hahaha
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@anemone @lucy @mia >I imagine it's more in Germany
I assure you it isn't, anywhere in Europe. Maybe in the UK, but only if you live in London. then you have to pay 15 pounds per day to have your car. Weird motherfuckers
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@anemone @creamqueen @lucy the fuels obviously something you have to consider but like, most people do that. obviously it'd be cheaper to take a plane or sometimes even train to somewhere than go by car. like the trip from Spain to Bulgaria is about $400 in total, fuel and road tolls included. you can take a plane for about $100 instead.

you're then dependent on the train or airplane company and its scheduling, and the restrictions of public transport and planes.
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@meso @anemone @lucy it was cheaper and more fun for me to drive ~1000 miles round trip to go see my friends in far western PA than to take a plane. I probably spent $150 on gas and got to see some beautiful landscapes
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@creamqueen @anemone @lucy yeah its way more fun in a car. planes are boring as fuck and a little stressful. you also cannot carry SHIT on them
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@meso @anemone @lucy never been on a plane, I've lived in Florida, now live in New England. The only plane I've ever been on was a 767 freight plane and it was grounded
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@anemone @mia @lucy i've never really run the numbers on cars but the big thing with them is agency. you can go buy milk at 3am.

a lot of places the transport runs at set times and you have to conform your schedule to that. so you will want to include opportunity costs for having to wait on the damn train/bus vs. opportunity costs from traffic.

the one time i took the bus in this town it sucked because it fucked off without me and i ended up getting my grade lowered at college for showing up late because i had to walk.
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@anemone @lucy @mia nothing actually stops anyone from making tiny cars and such though there is no real reason to have to drive a huge station wagon literally everywhere blobcatgoogly
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Well, government regulations stop them from being able to drive on roads and block imports.

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Also ownership isn’t $10k a year…

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