@lucy @mia but nothing is shittier than a Fiat honestly any car is in the end fine because they had engineers working pretty hard on it its just a matter of how easy it is to maintain it and how nice the car is. But Fiats are different, I've seen nothing but problems in these Italian pieces of shit. AC's broken, gearbox fails, clutch cable snaps, servos keep malfunctioning, engine is shit. Like, my dad has had two fiats consecutively because the previous one broke down and his current one had the same issues. At least he got it for €800 so its not a total ripoff