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sim@shitposter.world
sim@shitposter.world
I don't understand the appeal of drag queens, I don't find what they do as attractive or really entertaining.
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sim@shitposter.world
sim@shitposter.world
@arcana Will boomers watch anything? Or is this a particular thing for them?
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@sim I think it might be a particular thing. It makes me feel very uncomfortable
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christmas skibidi tomato 
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
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sim@shitposter.world
sim@shitposter.world
@mischievoustomato @arcana Yes, that is rather bizarre to hear. Did you ever ask why?
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
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sim@shitposter.world
sim@shitposter.world
@arcana I suppose they could be a curiosity for them? Like that exotic other because it is not a normal thing to do.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@sim I don’t think it’s that, I just think they saw it as a comedy form of entertainment
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sim@shitposter.world
sim@shitposter.world
@mischievoustomato @arcana That's interesting. I didn't think about that angle. I do agree with you though. I'm not into over-the-top exaggerated fashion and makeup.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@sim @mischievoustomato I’ve always seen them as basically being a form of clown
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@arcana @mischievoustomato @sim yeah it's weird my brother made me watch it and i dont really get it. i guess its really gay guys into womens fashion. still dont get it, mentioned to him that some trans people i know find it plain demeaning
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sim@shitposter.world
sim@shitposter.world
@arcana @mischievoustomato Yeah, especially with all the make-up that some of them put on their face. Something a clown would do.
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sim@shitposter.world
sim@shitposter.world
@meso @arcana @mischievoustomato You were made to watch something like it too? It's one thing for gay guys to be into women's fashion but isn't this stuff exaggerated and extreme?
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@sim @arcana @mischievoustomato it's incredibly boring i think its just a self perpetuating thing of the hype and fandom around it being bigger than the thing itself, which in reality is pretty boring and stupid
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sim@shitposter.world
sim@shitposter.world
@arcana Oh yeah, there is that angle about it where it is comedy and treated as such. What do you think about it being sexual adult content?
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@sim it definitely is and I don’t like that personally. In a sense I can see why people enjoy it for the same reason they enjoy bawdy comedy films also from the past few decades but I personally don’t find that appealing.
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christmas skibidi tomato
mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
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@arcana @mischievoustomato @sim yeah straight drag queens are a thing. maybe it's different in the UK but they're definitely more the exception than the rule, though since the popularity of rupaul's drag race i think they've gotten more common
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sim@shitposter.world
sim@shitposter.world
@mischievoustomato @arcana Yeah. It's not going to make you look more attractive. I think some women don't realise they have applied too much.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@sim @mischievoustomato Drag queens definitely don’t do it to look attractive I don’t think, it’s more as I said, the clown thing, it’s meant to be exaggerated and theatrical
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sim@shitposter.world
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sim@shitposter.world
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Blurry Moon
sun@shitposter.world
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arcana@layer02.net
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sim@shitposter.world
sim@shitposter.world
@arcana @mischievoustomato Yeah, that sounds right to me. It being theatrical. I wonder if it began in theatres?
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@sim @mischievoustomato Well it possibly did arise in part from the fact that prior to the Restoration in the 1660s, women weren’t permitted to act in theater and so all female characters were performed by actors in drag basically. I imagine it descends from there but it’s seemingly a global phenomenon, the Spanish reported on it when they reached the Philippines in the 1500s but they executed all of the ones involved in it as they suspected them of being gay.
This kind of thing was very popular with soldiers too in the world wars. If anything I feel like drag stuff is actually less common today than it was in the past.
This kind of thing was very popular with soldiers too in the world wars. If anything I feel like drag stuff is actually less common today than it was in the past.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
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sim@shitposter.world
sim@shitposter.world
@arcana @mischievoustomato Now that is brutal of the Spanish. Yeah, this origin sounds the most plausible because women weren't permitted to act. I think acting was once seen as something the undesirables did too, if you go back far enough.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@sim @mischievoustomato The Romans certainly didn’t like actors, but in the Renaissance and early modern they were fairly respected. The tradition continued in pantomimes which are an old English tradition dating from the 19th century and they include drag stock characters. I went to see pantomimes often when I was younger at the local theater as they’d usually be on as family friendly shows at Christmas retelling Fairy Tales. They don’t really seem to exist as much any more, which again, feels like part of drag dying out to me.
If anything, drag feels waaaay less prevalent today than it did in the 1980s and 1990s, and I’ll often see people getting angry at things for being some 2020s “woke” thing which in related was common place in the 20th century
If anything, drag feels waaaay less prevalent today than it did in the 1980s and 1990s, and I’ll often see people getting angry at things for being some 2020s “woke” thing which in related was common place in the 20th century
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sim@shitposter.world
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sim@shitposter.world
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@arcana @mischievoustomato Yeah, I was thinking about the ancients in particular. In a way, I am glad that they become a bit more respected. The only problem is, they have worn the mysterious element down because actors are celebrities and we have more access to them than ever before. We get to see their bad takes, their politics and this kills the movie star vibe.
Interesting that drag feels less prevalent today. I do think that theatre is dying so that might be related.
Interesting that drag feels less prevalent today. I do think that theatre is dying so that might be related.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@sim @mischievoustomato interestingly too, as I was just reading into it, but it seems while drag in the UK began as I mentioned film theater, in the US it was started by black slaves, especially after the civil war a bunch of them started identifying that way and hosting balls
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sim@shitposter.world
sim@shitposter.world
@arcana @mischievoustomato Oh wow... I didn't see that twist coming for the US.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@sim @mischievoustomato yeah, seems like it’s been their predominant root to it and the tradition it followed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Dorsey_Swann
I guess it makes sense with the UK version taking the form of bawdy adult comedy shows (following the traditions of 17th century comedy) and the US version taking the form of fashion shows with many African American contestants including RuPaul
I guess it makes sense with the UK version taking the form of bawdy adult comedy shows (following the traditions of 17th century comedy) and the US version taking the form of fashion shows with many African American contestants including RuPaul
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sim@shitposter.world
sim@shitposter.world
@arcana @mischievoustomato Yeah. That is also going to cause them to be confusing because they have different roots to them. How much have they merged now?
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@sim @mischievoustomato I don’t know how much they’ve merged, I mostly just know historical aspects to things. I imagine there has been somewhat of a cultural merge and it might be that killing off the UK type stuff
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cool_boy_mew
coolboymew@shitposter.world
@arcana @mischievoustomato @sim
>and I’ll often see people getting angry at things for being some 2020s “woke” thing which in related was common place in the 20th century
They kinda are now though, there's been this absolutely strange push of "drag story hour" that ended up happening more or less internationally, pushed because of a very vague "it's progressive" thing going on that's just absolutely baffling. Nobody would care otherwise about drags if it wasn't strangely pushed that way
>and I’ll often see people getting angry at things for being some 2020s “woke” thing which in related was common place in the 20th century
They kinda are now though, there's been this absolutely strange push of "drag story hour" that ended up happening more or less internationally, pushed because of a very vague "it's progressive" thing going on that's just absolutely baffling. Nobody would care otherwise about drags if it wasn't strangely pushed that way
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sim@shitposter.world
sim@shitposter.world
@arcana @mischievoustomato Yeah, that might be partly killing off the UK stuff but also whether there is enough interest in it to make it profitable to continue.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@sim @mischievoustomato yeah, I mean I still attend the theater from time to time but it’s honestly pretty dire these days. I remember when I went to see the Ukrainian Opera Company perform Madama Butterfly and the house must have been less than 50% sold and the audience was predominantly over 60. It’s something I notice a lot when I go to various performances and cultural events; the audience is dying out and I don’t know what’s going to become of the various age old cultural endeavors involved
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@coolboymew @mischievoustomato @sim yes that was definitely weirdly pushed and felt almost like a psyop to divide people if I’m honest. Not saying it was but it felt like it
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Blurry Moon
sun@shitposter.world
@arcana @mischievoustomato @coolboymew @sim I know people that not only think it's great intrinsically they think it's great to fuck up their kids to own maga chuds
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@sun @mischievoustomato @coolboymew @sim yes I think there’s a lot of people doing stupid things to be like: “how’d do you like that other side?!”
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Blurry Moon
sun@shitposter.world
@arcana @mischievoustomato @coolboymew @sim years ago I showed someone pictures of "drag kid" irl and instead of changing their mind they just said nothing and turned and walked away from me ending the conversation lol
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Mercurial 
Merc@lab.nyanide.com
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Mercurial
Merc@lab.nyanide.com
@arcana @une @psnacks @sim @meso it's like a superpower that often manifests as a ghost you control. Called a 'Stand' because it stands next to you. Eg, time freeze powers, or ability to turn anything you touch into a bomb, or ability to freeze anything in the air in place relative to you, or ability to control a mini drone
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