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WHO IS THE BIGGER BLIGHT ON MODERN SOFTWARE
50% Drew "Faggot" DeVault
50% Lennart "Cuck" Pottering
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#woke Kurt J. Mac's 'Shreveport or Bust' Groyper

This is already decided. As much as I'd like to bat for Drew poettering wins hands down.
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@rher fumocheers man has an exquisite brain mass, very grey, very dense, maximum folds
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#woke Kurt J. Mac's 'Shreveport or Bust' Groyper

People have likened by brain to ebony for it's density, weight and smoothness
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@theorytoe drew actually made useful software
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@lucy
>useful software
most of it is abandonware or he doesnt maintain it anymore sadman
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@theorytoe hence i used the past tense
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@lucy i did not read it in that way so guess im retarded itsover
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@theorytoe a fellow retard on my timeline? how unusual cirno_flap
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#woke Kurt J. Mac's 'Shreveport or Bust' Groyper

Forgive me I autismaxx when I drink
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@theorytoe Drew DeVault going after Bryan Lunduke of all people just showed me how much of an insufferable asshole he truly is.

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@xianc78
>Drew DeVault going after Bryan Lunduke
wait how have I never heard of this before?
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drew, lennart at least wrote good software @theorytoe

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@eric but then it would have been a 50/50 and that isnt fun
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@xianc78 wow
man didnt fall from grace he plummeted
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#woke Kurt J. Mac's 'Shreveport or Bust' Groyper

Retard online with bad opinions and the inventor of systemd respectively
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@theorytoe Talking about Lunduke or DeVault?

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@xianc78 drew
although I am not as educated on lunduke but from what ive gleaned hes at least alright
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@theorytoe @xianc78 Drew "feelings" DeVault versus Bryan "I'm just saying" Lunduke.
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@theorytoe I used to watched Lunduke back in 2017. He was pretty laid back. He talked about Linux, other FOSS operating systems like Haiku, and retro-computing, including showing off his old BBS. During that time he was mostly apolitical. He openly said that he didn't know what left or right meant. But he had a hard stance on free speech on the Internet and he spoke out when The Daily Stormer was deplatformed by virtually every Internet infrastructure company in the world, despite Lunduke himself being "a very proud Jewish man".

I haven't watched him much since 2018, but it appears that lately, he has been exposing organizations like The Linux Foundation and how they are donating to WEF-adjacent causes as well as FOSS projects using CoCs.

Seeing his name being censored from the Linux Mint forums pissed me off the most. That used to be my go to recommendation for Windows users wanting to switch to Linux (issues with SystemD aside), but I can't recommend it at all anymore because of that.

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@xianc78 huh interesting
i really only know him from his linux sucks videos (which are honestly pretty great)

i also remeber him covering the sqlite coc drama and how twitter didnt like that one

i should honesty check out his stuff more
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@xianc78 @theorytoe this is what I meant when I said he's Bryan "I'm just saying" Lunduke. People hate him for literally just reporting public information. Does he have an agenda, I mean yeah probably, but he's also exposing things like... whatever the fuck GNOME is doing.
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@prettygood @xianc78 i mean theres not much to gain from doing that when everyone will praise you for doing the opposite
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@prettygood @theorytoe I think his reporting on these issues is just from his hard free-speech stance. He tried to steer away from politics from the longest time. It was clear that he wasn't even familiar with the meaning of certain political labels. But as the culture war started affecting the FOSS community he couldn't ignore it anymore.

He has been labeled as a "far-right conspiracy theorist", but even the far-right hates him because he is "Jewish and proud". In fact, at one point (possibly due to the "ad-pocolypse") he made his full podcasts available to Patreon members only while only releasing clips for free on YouTube (I didn't even know that was even allowed). He was called a bunch of antisemitic slurs because of it, so he disabled comments on all of his videos, and I think that event is what kicked off Luke Smith's popularity as he was the polar opposite of Lunduke in many ways (anti-shill, focus on software minimalism instead of gimmicky software, etc)

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I used to follow him on odysee until he got his knickers in a twist and rage-quit the platform when they wouldn't ban other creators because he didn't like them, so, how freezy-peechy is he really? 🤔

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@theorytoe Drew because he pretends to create good software and corners that niche, if Poettering didn't exist someone else just as faggy wouldve done his job, whereas we could've had someone better than Drew
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@theorytoe @lucy he did few good things on SourceHut, like almost no bullshit git hosting and CI.

Why almost? Because it has a piece of bullshit, like saying email workflow is easy and reliable, when it's definitely isn't.

I'm still thinking of him positively regardless of anything because when I was attacked by a bunch of mastodongers, he stood up for me. I appreciate that and remember everyone who opposed the mob.
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@lucy @theorytoe
Exactly! I couldn't care less about his "activism", but Drew made actually useful software that you may choose to use or choose to not use.
Poettering somehow made the "ruin it for everyone" software — I'd have zero problems with him, just as I would probably have no problem with Google — if their shit weren't crawling into the software I use ruining it.
All in all, they are on completely different levels.

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@sun @theorytoe @lucy probably is.

I'm mostly fan of it supporting other OSes than glibc/Linux and just giving out SSH to debug
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@theorytoe As much as drew is annoying, I don't have to actively dodge his shitware like I do with pottering

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