systemd haters need to touch grass

@mia okay but i still hate systemd

@lucy

@lucy @mia grassctl touch

(grassctl also has 4 CVEs)

@mia i wouldn't mind systemd if it was sitting peacefully in a corner

@mia @lucy systemd is honestly really good for productive stuff imo

@arcana @mia use whatever you want tbh. idc if you use perl or systemd or ios. i don't like these things for my own reasons and couldn't care less about what you prefer

@arcana @lucy it’s software and software always sucks, but ime it’s doing a good job at what is expected of it

@mia
The year: 2029.

I open up my IBM Redhat laptop, and boot up my SystemD/Linux operating system. I come to the SystemD-Bootloader boot screen and select SystemdOS (formerly Fedora linux). The SystemD init system runs, and I'm greeted with the SystemD login screen, I punch in my password and username, and I am greeted with the SystemD TTY, I can select from various SystemD coreutils. I run SystemD-Wayland and boot into my SystemDE. I open up the SystemD-Web browser running on the SystemD-webkit, and run tasks on the web. I remember its about time to update SystemdOS so I open up SystemD-Terminal and run SystemD-update, I run System-run0 to authenticate my identity, allowing SystemD-Update to run. 2000 packages to upgrade.

That's when my SystemD-RSS newsfeed gives me a SystemD-Notification. I shake with excitement, work is being done to finally replace the insecure, archaic Linux kernel with a brand new SystemD-Kernel slated for release in Q2 2030. I can barely contain myself, I think I cum a little. I experience a SystemDgasm like no other. I spin around like a school girl in my chair, I turn to face my SystemD-Poster on my wall of Lenerd Pottering, it's cum stained from my many intimate sessions with it, i stroke the poster lovingly, I stand up and kiss Pottering on his SystemD-Lips, SystemdOS will finally be free of outside influence, this is the greatest day of my SystemD-Life.

@adachi tl;dr

@mia
Something something monolithic

@adachi good

@mia
Bad

@arcana @mia @lucy
>productive stuff
what

@adachi @arcana @lucy things you never do

@mia @lucy @arcana
What can you do 'productively' with SystemD?

@adachi @lucy @arcana not waste time on all the shit i’d have to do without it

@mia @lucy @arcana
Non-answer. SystemD is an init system, I fail to see what productive tasks you can use it for.
And even if you can name them, should an init system REALLY do more than just launch shit at system start?

@adachi @lucy @arcana a system that’s good for productive tasks is a system that gets the hell out of my way and does its damn job. yes it does have to do more than launching shit. the idea of an “init” is antiquated unix garbage.

which is what this does. for instance, it doesn’t matter that my disk setup is a messy pile of luks and stacked dm targets and lvm; systemd will figure out the correct sequence to unlock and mount everything. i didn’t have to tell it what to do. i also didn’t have to implement scheduling in several software projects because systemd user services/timers handle the task’s complexity adequately.

@mia @lucy @arcana

>a system that’s good for productive tasks is a system that gets the hell out of my way and does its damn job.

OpenRC has never 'gotten in my way', quite the opposite I've never interracted with it once besides adding a couple new services at system boot. Syntax is easy to remember and it does one job.

>the idea of an “init” is antiquated unix garbage.

Genuinely what? This means nothing, an init is just a program/method used for system boot. It's not an idea that can be antiquated, you'll always have to start certain programs at system initialization.

>yes it does have to do more than launching shit.

like?

>which is what this does. for instance, it doesn’t matter that my disk setup is a messy pile of luks and stacked dm targets; systemd will figure out the correct sequence to unlock and mount everything. i didn’t have to tell it what to do. i also didn’t have to implement scheduling in several software projects because systemd user services/timers handle the task’s complexity adequately.

Nothing you say here isn't done on OpenRC or any other init system for that matter. Are you implying encrypted disks cant be utilized on OpenRC?

TL;DR you just said 'systemD is productive because it doesn't do much, also it does lots of stuff like (Lists stuff every init system does)'