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Lucy [hiatus era] 𒌋𒁯
lucy
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it's impressive how universities put pressure on students, not so they may earn skills or knowledge, but simply to have a chunk of them predictably drop out early, and STILL a ton of people walk out of these places unable to work in their field. time, money and mental health wasted for what? so HR drones put you into entry level jobs were you start to actually gather the skills you need 
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Phantasm
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@lucy
>STILL a ton of people walk out of these places unable to work in their field
I have a possible explanation for this that comes from my experience with unis.
Those that graduate and and can handle the pressure usually aren't of the actual working types. They acclimated to the uni atmosphere, learned many pointless things and in the end many of them just stay there researching other pointless things nobody cares about.
>so HR drones put you into entry level jobs were you start to actually gather the skills you need
Unis won't teach you most of the things you would need in a work environment anyway. They are just an entry ticket for higher paying jobs that tells the future employer you can handle the pressure and stress. As a side-effect it tells the employer, they can force you to work harder and you probably won't complain.
>STILL a ton of people walk out of these places unable to work in their field
I have a possible explanation for this that comes from my experience with unis.
Those that graduate and and can handle the pressure usually aren't of the actual working types. They acclimated to the uni atmosphere, learned many pointless things and in the end many of them just stay there researching other pointless things nobody cares about.
>so HR drones put you into entry level jobs were you start to actually gather the skills you need
Unis won't teach you most of the things you would need in a work environment anyway. They are just an entry ticket for higher paying jobs that tells the future employer you can handle the pressure and stress. As a side-effect it tells the employer, they can force you to work harder and you probably won't complain.
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lain
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@lucy i think it's nearly purely a signal, it's not about learning (plus some propaganda). i think caplan's "the case against education" is the best overview of the idea.
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Phantasm
phnt@fluffytail.org
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>meanwhile, i dropped out of college so long ago and relied on rtfm to slice out my career. so far it's worked well.
My guess is that you are in IT, because this don't fly almost anywhere else. You are a nobody without a degree in engineering (mechanical, electrical, civilian), medical or even economics field. IT is unique in this case, as they also care about certs which as a concept barely exists anywhere else.
>meanwhile, i dropped out of college so long ago and relied on rtfm to slice out my career. so far it's worked well.
My guess is that you are in IT, because this don't fly almost anywhere else. You are a nobody without a degree in engineering (mechanical, electrical, civilian), medical or even economics field. IT is unique in this case, as they also care about certs which as a concept barely exists anywhere else.
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Hildegunst von Mythenmetz of programming
condret@shitposter.world
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@lucy yep, and it was this pressure that demotivated me from seriously approaching university. i went there to learn interesting things, and all i got was a shitton of maths and professors telling us that we don't need any of this and that their lectures only exist as a filter
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Phantasm
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>if it included cryptography, distributed computing systems, and security then yes.
I wouldn't trust a college dropout with cryptography.
With security it depends on experience and the type of security. Securing internal servers and general system maintenance, maybe if they at least had some longer self-hosting experience and proved competent over some time period. Writing and auditing security in applications. Likely not.
>if it included cryptography, distributed computing systems, and security then yes.
I wouldn't trust a college dropout with cryptography.
With security it depends on experience and the type of security. Securing internal servers and general system maintenance, maybe if they at least had some longer self-hosting experience and proved competent over some time period. Writing and auditing security in applications. Likely not.
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Hildegunst von Mythenmetz of programming
condret@shitposter.world
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@lucy just to make clear, originally there were 3 modules of math, they squashed those into 2 to increase the pressure in order to achieve a dropout rate of 80%. i think this should be called the anglofication of german universities, as it goes completly against humboldt's original idea of universities.
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@snacks @lucy current day university education is the biggest bureaucratic spook. Perhaps you dropping out was because you were genuinely interested in learning and access to jobs, not distinction and power over others.
For the "human" beings that solely go through this to become part of the professional managerial class I do wish them an immensely painful fuck around and find out tho
For the "human" beings that solely go through this to become part of the professional managerial class I do wish them an immensely painful fuck around and find out tho
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