the future is wireless
wireless mouse
wireless keyboard
wireless monitor
wireless harddrives
wireless cpu
wireless gpu
wireless ram

@lucy cds sind die zukunft!

@tk my positronic brain dreams of electric (but wireless) sheep

@lucy also, wired pedals

@lucy wireless user

@Erpel nah im wired :333

@snacks@netzsphaere.xyz @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz cycle by wire ​​

@snacks@netzsphaere.xyz @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz i hope it has redundancy

@zvava @lucy @snacks a bio electric drive system

@zvava @lucy it's gonna last longer than a chain, but ig wear would be way harder to judge. Bigger issue is the inefficiency

@lucy

@snacks@netzsphaere.xyz @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz if the system experiences a loss in power it activates the backup generator

@snacks @zvava @lucy actually I'm interested now, if the primary usecase is electric drive, is this more efficient than always having to drive the whole normal bike drive train as well

@4censord @zvava @lucy you can use hub motors already and a generator that's reasonably efficient for human pedaling won't be lighter than a derailleur i think

@4censord @lucy @zvava it's actually used in those giant bicycle car thingies iirc, where you just want it to be rugged because the pedals are more to get around regulations than to actually move it

@lucy wireless power supply when?

@ferrarilegends we already have that tho?

@ferrarilegends @lucy tesla called

@snacks @ferrarilegends (adding info for the redditors: tesla the inventor, not the car brand)

@lucy @snacks @ferrarilegends tesla inventor? isn't that elon musk?

@mischievoustomato @lucy @snacks didn't know musk invented wireless vril stations

@ferrarilegends @lucy @snacks he's the vrilliest (?)

@ferrarilegends @mischievoustomato @lucy @snacks Not even close

@lucy I HATE THE ANTICHRIST

@lucy@netzsphaere.xyz kinda reminds me of that modular phone concept google abandoned. it wasn't wireless but now im thinking of that but with wireless and magnets

@scathach @lucy can't wait for the hacker news post telling the last man with a wired hard drive that he's a boomer he needs to just accept the open air prison booster

@anemone that was motorola tho not google?

@icedquinn @scathach for my own sanity i avoid "hacker" "news" like the plague

@lucy @scathach what ever happened to n-gate

@lucy@netzsphaere.xyz I’m referring to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Ara?wprov=sfti1

@lucy @icedquinn I wish there was a good tech forum that wasn't fedi

@scathach @lucy can't have those, zoomies about

@icedquinn @lucy Broccoli heads are on orange website

@scathach @lucy i don't think its actually zoomers its just fun to say.

i'm not sure what makes HN types so bad. a lack of world experience and care about other people? idk.

"just buy new foons when they break, bro, you can get e-slop for just four hours of min wagie."

@icedquinn @lucy Tech bros are just like that /shrug

Don’t forget wireless wires.

@scathach @lucy have i become greybeard

@anemone oh that was years after motorola dropped the idea lol

@scathach @icedquinn @lucy what I find strange is that tech enthusiasts don’t have this but things like caravans and prog rock do

Too few boomers I imagine

@arcana @lucy @scathach we had them but they keep getting taken over.

@arcana @scathach @icedquinn @lucy I think tech enthusiasm just attracts bad people tbh

@nemesis @icedquinn @arcana @lucy Lotta "people" who get into it to get rich quick

@nemesis @arcana @lucy @scathach that's deliberate but eh

@arcana @icedquinn @scathach tech enthusiast like toys, they're too immature for serious discourse which is why every community about technology they appear in sucks.

@scathach @icedquinn @arcana @lucy ehhhh thats true but I dont even think its that so much as just a matter of personality really. there are lots of tech enthusiasts on the other side of the Great Wall of Fedi who I doubt are motivated by money but who I still wouldn't really want to talk to

@lucy @icedquinn @scathach caravanners like “toys” too, these things are basically smart homes. Yet they still maintain active forums. I think it’s just a much more community minded group.

@icedquinn @lucy @scathach digital border control

@nemesis @arcana @lucy @scathach comp sci was considered an honorable white collar science until the control grid had a freak out.

some companies made a point of marketing how the girls would 'gossip instead of code' and other things to get the women out, and then a different group came by to segregate the tech people, where people were atomized in to nerd/yuppie/hippie cultures instead.

there was some ten hour podcast about burning man and some of this insanity.

@lucy @icedquinn @scathach immaturity is probably part of it

@icedquinn @nemesis @lucy @scathach what

@arcana @lucy @scathach topics of strategic import get subjected to dedicated divide and conquer.

at least where the tragedy of the commons doesn't eat them

@arcana @icedquinn @lucy We need a parallel distributed internet architected like Usenet over a world-wide LoRa mesh with a few internet tunnels to talk over oceans

@arcana @lucy @scathach though for "H" "N" types i suspect its just them being silver spooners most of their lives. when you've been stuck to a fiber line your whole live its hard to imagine why somebody might want to go offline for long spans of time.

@arcana @icedquinn @scathach no i mean toy in the literal sense. something to play around with. something that doesn't need to be affordable or high quality or reliable or practical.

@scathach @icedquinn @lucy it’s not a tech problem, it’s a people problem. Plenty of stuff I’m into has very active forums despite not having that tech

@icedquinn @arcana @nemesis @lucy >tfw born 40 years too late to study cs, ee, or maths during the heyday of academic computer science

>tfw CS as a research field has been basically dead since 1990

@scathach @arcana @nemesis @lucy most of the problems were solved in the 60s.

there is still time to write an artificial hippocampus and bring the dawn

@scathach @icedquinn @arcana @lucy ML still exists, so does complexity theory

@nemesis @scathach @icedquinn @lucy yes, CS definitely isn’t a dead field at all

@scathach @icedquinn @lucy like this is a very active forum, people aren’t posting on here due to some specific engineered tech stack or lack there of, it’s totally cultural

@arcana @lucy @scathach what if we wrote our own anon board as a treat

@icedquinn @lucy @scathach it will last 5 minutes as a novelty and then people will never use it again, this is not a tech problem

@snacks @lucy wireless thinking is already here
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@nemesis @icedquinn @arcana @lucy The only areas of CS research that aren't completely and utterly dead are ML AI and PL theory/computer checked proofs

At least the latter is somewhat interesting; but I'd really like to do systems research which unfortunately died when the rotting corpse that is Unix was dropped onto it from a great height

@arcana @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy The cool parts are thanks to Unix, C, and POSIX

@scathach @icedquinn @arcana @lucy quantum computing and cryptography are still getting research too

@scathach @arcana @nemesis @lucy install plan 9 on the brain chip

@scathach @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy Databases are cool and still a bit aspect, Networking too

Security is fascinating as well

@arcana @icedquinn @lucy @scathach it's dead in the sense it's not relevant to most programmers any more. in the 1970s CS talked about mundane stuff that was relevant to most programmers. 99.99% of programmers don't need to understand geometric deep learning, homotopy type theory, or zk-snarks, the field has just passed them by

@nemesis @icedquinn @lucy @scathach oh sure but most modern programmers are just learn to code bootcampers who are going to be optimised away by AI within 5 years. They were a temporary phenomenon

@nemesis @icedquinn @arcana @lucy QC is cool but the CS side of things is so far ahead of our ability to actually make quantum computers that it'll continue to be irrelevant for the foreseeable future

@arcana @nemesis @lucy @scathach capitalism will be optimized away

@arcana @icedquinn @lucy @scathach I'm not just talking about them

like there's a real difference between "this matters if you want to be on the cutting edge of a very few specific areas of software" vs. "this matters if you ever want to sort a list or access a database". the field has shifted from the latter to the former over the past few decades

@arcana @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy SQL is awful with no replacement in sight, security was solved in the 90s, and networking is a nightmare due to lack of pervasive 1pv6

@scathach @arcana @nemesis @lucy SQL, solving the problems that didn't exist because Datalog still loves you.

@arcana @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy software engineers ≠ code monkeys

@scathach @icedquinn @arcana @lucy security seems far from solved though I agree the limiting factor on security isnt CS research, its humans doing dumb shit

@scathach @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy there’s a huge amount more to databases than just SQL and there are a ton of variations and replacements, as well as many different paradigms


Security was not “solved in the 90s”.

Networking again covers a huge amount of topics beyond basics like that.

@scathach @icedquinn @arcana @lucy there is real progress in cryptography having useful applications outside of QC too. the use of zksnarks in blockchains is a good example

@arcana @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy Sorry, security was solved in the 1930s

@nemesis @icedquinn @arcana @lucy All you need is a type-safe programming language and the lambda calculus

@nemesis @scathach @icedquinn @lucy there is a great deal of actual research on going though, and a lot of it is technical. Humans doing dumb shit is a massive security issue but there is a large technical side to it and new means of attacking come out often. I worked on a VMBR 10 years ago for example when they were basically brand new.

@scathach @arcana @nemesis @lucy ngl i want to see some mad lad create a database but wrong answers only.

like just go ham with the probablistic algorithms. the bitch is going to utterly scream when it isn't randomly stumbling in to horrible failure modes (RIP DARCS.)

@scathach @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy yes, and 90% are code monkeys

@scathach @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy no…

@scathach @icedquinn @arcana @lucy you need a way to somehow write code that doesn't have bugs, ever. that is an unsolved problem

you also need chips that are immune to sidechannel attacks. that is far from a solved problem

you need your type-safe programming language with closures to work down to the kernel level. that has been tried (see: SingularityOS) but hasn't ever been used in production

security is far from a solved problem

@scathach @icedquinn @lucy @nemesis I’m going to presume you’re trolling here

@nemesis @scathach @icedquinn @lucy There’s attacks below the kernel level

@nemesis @arcana @lucy @scathach
> you put a login on the internet. you fucked it up, you used linux or something. don't have a login on the internet. it cannot be hacked. --terry a davis (somewhat)

@arcana @icedquinn @lucy @scathach yeah firmware is also a threat area but I was wanting a short list

but yeah, until the low levels are solved security at the high levels is a sideshow basically

@arcana @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy I can't decide if having terabytes of webshit and appshit pumped out by Indian wage slaves or ensnared demons is worse

At least the first one meant good money for a lot of people, even if they're complete shit and should never be allowed to touch a computer

@icedquinn @nemesis @lucy @scathach unfortunately, a lot of people have actual practical requirements for computers and not just hobby projects

@nemesis @icedquinn @arcana @lucy Yeah true

This is what the spritely folks are working to build

@arcana @scathach @icedquinn @lucy ok but it's still true that 99% of what academic computer scientists study isn't relevant to software engineers

@arcana @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy No but I'm being a little sarcastic

@scathach @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy second one is way better

@scathach @icedquinn @arcana @lucy something something broken windows fallacy

@scathach @icedquinn @arcana @lucy they are working to build it but given they don't have their own chip fabs and don't have a plan for formally verifying every line of code in the system I don't take them very seriously tbh

building the unhackable computer is possible in principle imo but it's a manhattan-project-scale challenge

@nemesis @icedquinn @lucy @scathach not sure on the actual %s but science isn’t engineering so that’s correct. Most chemistry science isn’t applicable to most chemical engineers either I imagine.

@arcana @icedquinn @lucy @scathach computer science isnt science, its a field of math, but yes

@arcana @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy CS isn't a science at all, it's a form of applied mathematics

@nemesis @arcana @lucy @scathach when you base whether someone gets to eat pizza or not tonight on how optimally they fleece poors of their scraps you're going to get a lot of trash in life

@scathach @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy doesn’t change the point I was making

@arcana @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy I would disagree with that point honestly, I've become a MUCH better engineer after getting into academic CS, especially PL theory

@icedquinn @arcana @lucy @scathach yeah and I'd hope to get rid of capitalism some day but bullshit jobs are still bullshit jobs and getting rid of them is good. make work sucks and part of the problem with capitalism is it produces way too much of it, not too little

@scathach @icedquinn @arcana @lucy that's interesting, how so?

@arcana @nemesis @lucy @scathach i'm just in the thread for the ride i think all the sciences are pointless in the face of building intelligent golems

@scathach @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy okay then it is relevant to engineers then? Doesn’t this contradict what you said before?

@icedquinn @nemesis @lucy @scathach tbh this thread is just making me firmer in my belief that fedi has a major problem with maturity and the majority of users here are stuck being mentally teenagers.

@arcana @icedquinn @lucy @scathach I'm sorry...

@lucy @anemone guess the closest thing we got to an actual product like that was the first jolla phone, though it wasn’t THAT modular. the community made some extensions for it (detachable qwerty keyboard, epaper displays, solar chargers, etc.)

it was pretty clear only hackers would ever appreciate that sort of thing so they just used i2c and didn’t provide any special software support beyond exposing it via /dev

@nemesis @icedquinn @lucy @scathach you don’t have to apologise

@nemesis @icedquinn @arcana @lucy Mostly just understanding how to design code better to minimize side-effects and leverage the type-checker to verify as much as absolutely possible, also having a more intuitive grasp of time and memory complexity

@icedquinn @arcana @nemesis @scathach touch grass

@arcana @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy No? SWE is downstream of CS just like ME, EE, and AE are downstream of physics — you wouldn't want to fly in a plane designed by someone who doesn't understand physics

@arcana @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy Sorry I think I've not been doing a good job of signalling sincerity and when I'm joking or semi joking about something

@scathach @icedquinn @arcana @lucy remember you are in an autism space and everything you say will be taken absolutely literally absent explicit instructions to the contrary

@scathach @icedquinn @arcana @lucy I mean, CS seems to be having more progress than physics does to me. the standard model seems as solid as ever and if anything better is found someday it seems unlikely the difference between it and the standard model will actually matter outside of black-hole-level energy densities

this is a big part of the cause of the Great Stagnation, imo

@nemesis @icedquinn @arcana @lucy right

@scathach @icedquinn @arcana @lucy I am part of the problem in that regard but I cant really help it sorry...

@meeper @icedquinn @arcana @lucy @scathach I think capitalism dominated because was genuinely adaptive so long as long-range economic growth existed

now that that has mostly stalled it has gotten stuck and will probably have to change into something else sooner or later. dunno exactly how that will happen

to the extent feudalism did get some things right it is because it was adapted to near-zero long term growth rates. but I think it is possible to do a lot better

@scathach @icedquinn @lucy And well HN is literally a karma-forum from a startup incubator (Y Combinator), same shit as LinkedIn.

@mia@shrimptest.0x0.st @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz sadly people who appreciate a good ui but also want repairable and upgradable devices are rare

@anemone @lucy @mia often don't intersect, or if they do, they gotta choose one, or the other

@icedquinn @lucy @scathach based
total cable death

@anemone @lucy tfw no gf that does ara ara~ to me

@icedquinn @lucy @scathach tbf I'm from a poor family and could get new phones yearly

@arcana @icedquinn @lucy @scathach are the caravanners happy and motivated? that might be what is different

@mischievoustomato @icedquinn @arcana @nemesis @lucy Tomato I'm going to crush you and turn you into salsa then sell you for $3 a jar

@mischievoustomato @icedquinn @arcana @nemesis @lucy I like India

@mischievoustomato @icedquinn @lucy @scathach yes, they’re a very jolly and sociable bunch in my experience

@mischievoustomato @icedquinn @nemesis @lucy @scathach tbf I think Pakistan want to, but I’m going to be real, I’m 100% team India in that particular engagement

The wet dream of Plan 9 lovers.
@lucy

@mia @lucy @anemone motorola made something similar, got radio transmitter, projectors, and almost a keyboard for it

@ForbiddenDreamer @ferrarilegends @mischievoustomato @lucy @snacks Reich did have some interesting etheric theories including the cloud buster pictured above. Unfortunately, he was also a dirty Jew...

"Reich devoted much time to educating working-class people about the essential role of sexuality in their lives and worked within the Socialist and Communist parties in Vienna, and later in Berlin, to promote sex education."

I do find this interesting. Generally, when the government wants to destroy your work you're probably really on to something...

"His work provoked press criticism and the attention of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which obtained an injunction against his activities for "fraud of the first magnitude." He was charged with contempt in 1956 for having violated the injunction, and was sentenced to two years imprisonment. That summer, over six tons of his publications were burned by order of the court. He died in prison of heart failure."

@mischievoustomato @icedquinn @arcana @lucy @scathach thank you, I feel like it rn