MAKE LINUX SIMPLE AGAIN

@fiore ok, install slackware, now

@snacks god thats so tempting

@fiore 10 years ago or so i made a set of scripts that would set up a basic linux system from source using just the kernel and busybox (which contains a runit implementation that can be used as the init system).

@steffo interesting point

@lain this makes my legs shake whats wrong with me

@fiore i should update it, or rather, see if it still works. it's barely any code at all.

lain pleroma made ALFS

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@lain i need that to be the normal way to do a linux install

@fiore @snacks Do not - slack is proprietary software that also includes proprietary image viewing software by default.

Instead you deserve; https://www.freenix.net/

@lain @fiore >basic linux system
>Look inside.
>BusyBox/Linux.

@fiore you should simply wget https://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64/autobuilds/20250420T121009Z/stage3-amd64-openrc-20250420T121009Z.tar.xz

@Suiseiseki @snacks that seems cool

@fiore wsl:

@max id rather follow a 4chan tttt diy ffs tutorial

@fiore install Gentoo

@vaartis whats that

gentoo, it is linux but simple

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@coolbean seems too compwex fow tiny dumb me ..

@eris @fiore yeah

@eris @vaartis i actually feel kinda tempted

If your laptop is capable of compiling stuff in a timely manner, do try it out

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@eris @vaartis i dont think itd smart

also im looking for a server os , mainly

Gentoo can definitely be a server os as well, it can be anything because it is so simple and doesn't impose an idea of what it should be. I've heard of people who build custom gentoo images for specialised servers, you probably won't do that, but the option to even do something as simple as -gui to not have anything to do with gui compiled is very good. Or doing -gtk qt because you're a cutie not a footf*g. Possibilities are endless, bounded only by how fast your computer is

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@eris @fiore btw kotobank is running Gentoo

@eris @fiore @vaartis The linked archive does not contain a single byte of Linux.

Although it does contain GNU.

"Gentoo Linux" is a incorrect if you are not referring to Gentoo's customized proprietary versions of Linux, as Gentoo supports multiple kernels and doesn't even come with Linux by default.

After you install the root GNU filesystem, you can install GNU Linux-libre, or Hurd or the kernel of a BSD to make Gentoo GNU/Linux-libre or Gentoo GNU/Hurd or Gentoo GNU/kernelOfXBSD.

So true bestie! The conversation was about Linux distributions, therefore in this context, Gentoo Linux is accurate enough, I highly doubt Fiore will be installing Hurd or kFreeBSD.

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@eris @fiore @vaartis The conversation was about GNU distributions - an archive that didn't contain Linux was even linked to.

Gentoo GNU or Gentoo GNU/Linux would be accurate, while "Gentoo Linux" is totally wrong.

Do you represent the Gentoo Foundation or Linux Foundation to judge on the usage of their trademarks? Are GNU utilities licensed with a license akin to 4-clause BSD license which requires explicit mentions of the developer(s) in any advertisements? As far as I'm aware the answer to these two questions is "no", therefore there is no "totally wrong", just "recommended" or "not recommended" 🙂

And the conversation is very explicitly about Linux, see the OP of "MAKE LINUX SIMPLE AGAIN". Therefore the archive (Gentoo) posted in combination with the Linux that needs simplifying, would quite literally create Gentoo Linux.

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@eris @fiore @vaartis >Do you represent the Gentoo Foundation or Linux Foundation to judge on the usage of their trademarks?
If you want to bring trademarks in - yes referring to GNU as "Linux" is trademark infringement.

Of course the Linux Foundation in fact silently encourages such trademark infringement, as it gives them all the credit and thus advertising.

>And the conversation is very explicitly about Linux, see the OP of "MAKE LINUX SIMPLE AGAIN"
As far as I can tell, the OP was writing about GNU/Linux or LiGNUx, but neglected to name the GNU.

>the archive (Gentoo) posted in combination with the Linux that needs simplifying, would quite literally create Gentoo Linux.
If you wish to exclude mention of GNU because you hate freedom, applying the grammar rules of English, that would be Gentoo/Linux or Gentoo+Linux or Gentoo with Linux, as the Gentoo project isn't just a version of Linux (although a small part of the project produces customized proprietary versions of Linux that would be correct to refer to as "Gentoo Linux").

@coolbean i dont even know what initramfs is

@fiore to bad 4chan isnt up anymore

@eris @Suiseiseki @vaartis based based based based base

@fiore @eris @vaartis *Cringe.

I thought in English text "Gentoo/Linux" would mean "Gentoo or Linux". Learn something new every day.

But anyways, the word "Linux" has evolved to mean "any UNIX-like software distribution with a Linux kernel" nowadays and trying to fight it feels like pointless prescriptivism ngl. I will still use "Linux" to refer to all Linux distros, I'll use GNU/Linux when I want to be specific, and I'll use the terms the projects use themselves -- Arch Linux, Gentoo Linux, Parabola GNU/Linux, etc. Same as I'll say Make not GNU Make, M4 not GNU M4, unless talking about specific features that set them apart from other implementations, even if I ever use only GNU implementations of those utilities. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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@max @fiore Windows Subsystem GNU 1 didn't have a byte of Linux in it, but it had GNU.

Windows Subsystem GNU/Linux 2 is glorified systemd/Linux VMs, as a way to ensure what the user runs is carefully surveilled and they don't get freedom.

@eris @fiore @vaartis >I thought in English text "Gentoo/Linux" would mean "Gentoo or Linux". Learn something new every day.
Yes there are 2 meanings - "either of" or "parts of a whole".

You can also use + interchangeably as a joiner instead.

>But anyways, the word "Linux" has evolved to mean "any UNIX-like software distribution with a Linux kernel" nowadays
No it has not and that definition is self-referencing too.

Linux has always been the name of a specific proprietary kernel, although it is a popular error to refer to GNU as "Linux".

Such cancerous error has proliferated so deep that people write "Linux kernel", as they've been mislead to think that Linux is much more than a kernel and there's a minor part of Linux that is a kernel.

>trying to fight it feels like pointless prescriptivism ngl
Trying to fight lies and degeneracy may seem pointless where there is a massive glut of it, but every time someone sees the GNU and realizes that the OS is GNU and was written solely to grant the user freedom, freedom wins.

>I will still use "Linux" to refer to all Linux distros
Provided you are referring to distributions of the kernel, Linux, that is correct.

That is not correct if you are referring to distributions of GNU/Linux or LiGNUx and even more so when it comes to GNU-based distributions that work with multiple kernels like Debian and Gentoo.

>I'll use the terms the projects use themselves
Just because a project has chosen an incorrect name (to lie) doesn't mean it is legitimate to repeat such lie.

>Same as I'll say Make not GNU Make, M4 not GNU M4
I always name the GNU to spread the GNU/Freedom and advise which software you should run; https://www.gnu.org/software/

@Suiseiseki @fiore kill yourself

@max @fiore You first.

What level of microsoft shilling is this? Stating facts means I deserve to die?

@fiore @max
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@Suiseiseki @eris @vaartis > self referencing names are bad

GNU is Not Unix

@coolbean ooo cool , damn

Look here buddy, I can allow personal insults or dropping attribution in advertising, but once you start running down the good name of GNU is Not Unix, that's when me and you are gonna fall out mate. You're on the list

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@coolbean this shit is too much for me but you can infodump me tmrrw

@coolbean linux should wear sneakers then , methinks

@eris @Suiseiseki @vaartis nonono its a great name , i just found it funny how he owned himself haha

@fiore @eris @vaartis I wrote that self referencing *definitions* are bad.

GNU is a recursive acronym, selected to be a funny name and is not a definition

@Suiseiseki @eris @vaartis my post was meant as a joke as well but ig you only laugh at GNU/jokes , or as ive started to call them , GNU+jokes