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@lucy like literally if i use something it means its retard proof
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Eva Mikkonen
evamik@uwu.mikkonen.com
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meso 🎃🧹
meso@new.asbestos.cafe
@lucy oh yeah that's fair. just last night i was looking at the arch forums and i hope everyone on there fucking ies
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@lucy but arch is the kind of distro where when you learn how to use linux it's perfect because it doesnt have any oddities and you dont need help for it everything works as expected and is comfy
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
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mia (developer mode)
mia@shrimptest.0x0.st@lucy @snacks @meso got nothing to do with windows or poettering
imo the kernel should make resources available to user space, keep its promises (i.e. fail writes it can’t guarantee) and otherwise get the hell out of the way. if you want to stop the world and get a big red warning about your failed root fs, that’s a user space problem, and something that everyone has different expectations and requirements for
the bsod thing was half joking
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@lucy I hate that proprietary kernel too.
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@lucy If Linux was actually under that license and the all source code was provided, it would be a free kernel.
Linux contains several proprietary programs without source code and Linux developers maintain and recommend a massive collection of proprietary software derivatives works without source code ("linux-firmware"); https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/
Linux contains several proprietary programs without source code and Linux developers maintain and recommend a massive collection of proprietary software derivatives works without source code ("linux-firmware"); https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/
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Lucy [hiatus era] 𒌋𒁯
lucy
@Suiseiseki im going to install alpine linux with musl and busybox instead of gnu tools how does that make you feel
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@lucy It makes me sad you would install a proprietary BusyBox/Linux distro that is also functionally inferior to GNU/Linux.
GNU is not merely a collection of tools - tools are only some GNU packages and glibc and coreutils and inetutils etc are only a few GNU packages; https://gnu.org/software/
GNU is not merely a collection of tools - tools are only some GNU packages and glibc and coreutils and inetutils etc are only a few GNU packages; https://gnu.org/software/
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@Suiseiseki @lucy it's only free if the source code is sane
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@lucy Yes, they're all works of art.
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Phantasm
phnt@fluffytail.org
@snacks @Suiseiseki @lucy It's only free if you don't value the time spent on debugging GNU software.
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@snacks @Suiseiseki I think at this point alpine makes a lot of sense to me honestly.. im fed up with gnu retardation and systemd annoyances. If only i could remove posix brainrot but ig that's not happening on a linux system.
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@lucy @Suiseiseki alpine was the only distro i couldn't get wifi to work with tbh. I hate openrc
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@lucy @Suiseiseki you can have bsd brainrot instead of linux brainrot with void
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@snacks @Suiseiseki i thought about void but I'd want to get rid of glibc at which point my void install would be slightly worse than the default alpine setup, which would also get rid of other gnu tools. The only thing im not sure about is what bootloader to use because of course I'd get rid of grub. Maybe I'll just use limine that works really good and im familiar with it from a hobby project.
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Phantasm
phnt@fluffytail.org
@snacks @Suiseiseki @lucy BSD has a different brainrot. Every single one of them has tools with different features and options. bsdtar is probably the only one that has any actual consistency. And the only way to be truly portable across BSD is to follow posix.
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@lucy @Suiseiseki linux kernel worsks as uefi bootloader even without systemd i think?
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snacks
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@phnt @Suiseiseki @lucy
> And the only way to be truly portable across BSD is to follow posix.
that's what i expected tbh
> And the only way to be truly portable across BSD is to follow posix.
that's what i expected tbh
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@snacks @Suiseiseki I'll setup void linux with musl, busybox, runit and limine then
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@Suiseiseki @lucy coreboot can load linux directly too?
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@lucy @Suiseiseki @snacks runit is pretty cool . but idk lately ive gained appreciation for systemd ngl
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@Suiseiseki @lucy @snacks u just hate the cute blue fairy !!
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@Suiseiseki @lucy linux is a stage 2 bootloader
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@Suiseiseki @lucy i have never heard about grub being a stage 0 bootloader
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Phantasm
phnt@fluffytail.org
@snacks @Suiseiseki @lucy What his autism is saying is probably that it boots from first block in MBR (stage 0), boots kernels after initial MBR bootstrap (stage 1) and can chainload other bootloaders (stage 2).
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@Suiseiseki @lucy stage 0 is the basic hw initialization that's usually handled by bios/uefi on pcs like initializing the memory controller
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@Suiseiseki @lucy now shut the fuck up, i have to get proprietary games on proprietary vms with proprietary mods running
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@Suiseiseki @lucy woah, it can handle shit that's usually handled by the os, totally makes it a stage 0 bootloader
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@Suiseiseki Despite the fact that it's founder is a particularly nasty Jew and most of it's developers & promoters are max-woke freaks, GNU is simply the greatest operating system ever invented.
For so many reasons.
Anybody using Windows or macOS is a f'in' idiot!
@lucy @snacks
For so many reasons.
Anybody using Windows or macOS is a f'in' idiot!
@lucy @snacks
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Lucy [hiatus era] 𒌋𒁯
lucy
@Suiseiseki @snacks on modern (efi) systems you can boot linux without a bootloader
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@snacks @Suiseiseki @lucy Funny you say that, because it silently fails at initializing graphics mode specifically because the secureboot implementation in GRUB has been borked for like 2 years. It can't load its special fonts, because the module isn't signed.
That's why on secure boot systems that don't have the GRUB console mode enabled, your border is just a bunch of rectangles with question marks.
That's why on secure boot systems that don't have the GRUB console mode enabled, your border is just a bunch of rectangles with question marks.
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johnny peligro
mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
@phnt @Suiseiseki @lucy @snacks i bet systemd-boot can handle it. I've been running it for ages but i am yet to use secure boob
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johnny peligro
mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@dagda @fiore @lucy @snacks I was pointing out that the Cirno character is proprietary.
Every time I've looked at a non-toy OS that is not GNU, I've found proprietary software and by proprietary senses are telling me that 9front is proprietary - but I don't have time to look right now - but I reckon I'll find some if I look later.
Every time I've looked at a non-toy OS that is not GNU, I've found proprietary software and by proprietary senses are telling me that 9front is proprietary - but I don't have time to look right now - but I reckon I'll find some if I look later.
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@fiore @dagda @lucy @snacks Yes, a weak license is often chosen to allow combination with proprietary software (which is not allowed by the GPLv{2,3}-{only,or-later} or to allow the software to be turned proprietary and used to take the users freedom, but it is possible (but uncommon) for a substantial program under a weak license to be fully free.
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@dagda @fiore @lucy @snacks `All other non-permissive additional terms are considered "further restrictions" within the meaning of section 10. If the Program as you received it, or any part of it, contains a notice stating that it is governed by this License along with a term that is a further restriction, you may remove that term.`
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@Suiseiseki @fiore @lucy @snacks including the slur is an addendum, not a restriction. You are still in the process of gifting or selling a software with all 4 freedoms protected, you just provide them with the slur aswell in addition.
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@dagda @fiore @lucy @snacks There is a requirement to add a slur, which is not listed as permitted under 7abcde or f and thus the user is granted the freedom or removing such further restriction.
Furthermore, editing the AGPLv3 to add any word infringes the license on the text itself; "Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license document, but changing it is not allowed." (permission to use the AGPLv3 text in another license is given separately provided a different name is used, the GNU preamble is removed as well as any mention of GNU).
Furthermore, editing the AGPLv3 to add any word infringes the license on the text itself; "Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license document, but changing it is not allowed." (permission to use the AGPLv3 text in another license is given separately provided a different name is used, the GNU preamble is removed as well as any mention of GNU).
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