@slowfallinward I've yet to come across a jazz song i can listen to without feeling awkward. jazz is just like a big mashup of everything i don't like about music. and tbh it's kind of the same things i hate about typical musical music.
@slowfallinward for instance jazz trumpeteers are like "go watch me make this metal pipe sound like a dying plane engine" that might be impressive on a technical level but it just sounds bad