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i need a 4:3 CRT so my GNUstep theme actually looks decent
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@fujoshi why wouldn't it look decent in widescreen? nextstep itself (including 4.0pr1 mecca) is practically optimal under it, and I keep thinking one of the main cornerstones of a theoretical "ideal 90s linux e16 rice box" would be a sgi 1600sw, which has a native resolution of 1600x1024 (lol)
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@allison my rice of it is kinda fucked up (running plasma so that may be the issue)
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@allison like it looks like those "so retro" windows tweets
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@fujoshi >plasma
Yeah that sounds like the problem, Qt & friends aren't the best for this exercise. In terms of accurate recreations of period environments on modern Linux, https://github.com/comdlg32/ice2k is probably the best I've seen?
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@fujoshi plasma IMHO is excellent as a general purpose environment but caring about things about hidpi scaling inherently means that the theming will be compromised compared to older standards where you could exactly set pixel dimensions. we'll never have something like kaleidoscope again.
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@allison @fujoshi i thought scaling was great on plasma, according to @anemone
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@fujoshi (also fun aside about kaleidoscope, the guy who made it also made the crux theme for gtk and gnome while employed at eazel before eazel went bust)
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@mischievoustomato @anemone @fujoshi that's exactly what I'm saying, it has good support for hidpi and one of the tradeoffs of that is that the theming support is compromised compared to older systems which didn't have it (peak linux theming era was gtk1/gtk2 and the equivalent qts)
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@allison @anemone @fujoshi i didn't open the thread
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@allison @anemone @fujoshi i wonder if some tradeoff could be achieved but i dont think that theming stuff to look like outdated things will be very high priority
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@allison @anemone @fujoshi i dont really theme stuff and these days I only use 100% scaling. If I were to need scaling hopefully I could make do with 200% in the future.
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@anemone @allison @fujoshi modern (1366x768)
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@anemone @allison @fujoshi i'd love my laptop more if it had a 3840x2400 display.
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @allison@hidamari.apartments @fujoshi@social.xenofem.me i have a 4k 32" display and its okay but i can still see the pixels slightly. 6k would probably be optimal for this sized screen

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@anemone @allison @fujoshi i don't have a very good vision (i don't have one eye as well lole), but it's good enough that I can notice when stuff isn't right. Plus I used a classmate's macbook air at university for a couple mmoemnts and I noticed how much sexier font rendering is on there. MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
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@allison @fujoshi i feel like you should be able to do both. set exact pixel dimensions and the ui library just multiplies the pixel number by the scaling factor. doesn’t work on fractional scaling though

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@tauon @fujoshi yeah and every ui library demands fractional scaling for oddball resolutions now so it's a non starter
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@allison @fujoshi oh this is pretty sex i should try this

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@allison @fujoshi what i think i’ll do is edit comctl32 somewhat to allow msstyles support so i can get my setup looking identical to my wine one

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@allison @fujoshi nvm the guy who made it used gpt for some of it
why can’t we have anything nice

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@silly @allison @fujoshi it’s sex. melody i’ve been saying this for a while

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@silly @allison @fujoshi i literally have what

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@tauon @silly i like this conversation

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@tauon @fujoshi like, providing that the technology itself shouldn't exist, I'm not going to take offense to people using it in a measured way for hobby projects as long as they aren't shills or unhinged about it. same for re work.
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@fujoshi @tauon (the true answer to this is making programming environments powerful and expressive enough that gpt is not only not needed but actively a hindrance, however, that's a bridge too far for most pl researchers, let alone normie programmers to cross)
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@allison @fujoshi how would that work? it sounds interesting

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@tauon @fujoshi just spitballing here, but I'm thinking something like the primitives of an array language + a good structure editor along the lines of medley interlisp or alice pascal would get you most of the way there
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@allison @tauon @fujoshi we should turn everyone into machines instead
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