@vitalis he was not ready for these questions.

@f0x @vitalis

https://youtu.be/j8ZF_R_j0OY

@toiletpaper @vitalis except it does. rather explicitly.

@f0x @vitalis

Prove it.

I'm afraid you are mistaken. the Canaanite city of Sodom itself is ancient in origin to be sure, but the first known use of the actual word "sodomie" is from the era of medieval christendom.

while people today associate sodomy to exclusively mean the engagement of homosexual acts, when the medieval church coined the word they meant for it to broadly cover all manner of sexual acts which did not result in procreation, and therefore such acts would make one as wicked as the people of Sodom.

@vitalis @f0x @toiletpaper I really appreciate you posting a tiktok woman in tight clothing here, that really drives the point home

@vitalis @f0x @toiletpaper wow i didnt know i was a sodomite?

if you want to use the word as it was originally intended, any medieval historian would tell you that sodomy applies to all foreplay including oral sex.

This was a joke in the military before "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was rescinded, since technically blowjobs could be argued to be under the broad/historical definition

@vitalis @f0x @toiletpaper OH! im a worser sodomite than expected.

@Ash_Kvetchum @vitalis @f0x @toiletpaper into the bucket with ye

@nuukaset @vitalis @f0x @toiletpaper I don't believe you.

@ForbiddenDreamer @vitalis @f0x @toiletpaper ask your mother how i am with my tongue (sodomy)

@nuukaset @vitalis @f0x @toiletpaper My momma says you gay

@ForbiddenDreamer @vitalis @f0x @toiletpaper your mom gives the best dome in the county so ill respect it

@nuukaset @vitalis @f0x @toiletpaper Don't I know it

@vitalis @f0x

Interesting to know. I guess how you interpret it depends whether your belief system is based on the Biblical text (such that they're even coherent) or instead on localised institutional dogma from a millennium later. That said, most of what people today take for granted as Christian doctrine and Biblical text (in English) is actually just a few centuries old, if that.

Speaking of medieval sexual morality though, you might be interested in this discussion/exposition of medieval Christmas carols. It specifically goes into the attitudes around sexuality in a religious context during that period, particularly in 15th-century (pre-reformation) Britain. The women in the video are both musicians and composers, but also PhD level scholars of the subject. Stef Conner's whole YT channel is a gold mine for that kinda stuff.

https://youtu.be/NjPoqewOtDw

@toiletpaper @vitalis @f0x the story is the people said bring out your foreigners because we want to rape them, it seems tough to get away from a generalized prohibition on anal sex unless you take the nonconsensual angle I guess

@vitalis @f0x @nuukaset

> the word as it was originally intended

Like I said, depends if you mean the actual text of the Bible (Greek and Hebrew), or the translation and it's bastardised interpretation in an institutional context a thousand years after the fact.

@toiletpaper @vitalis @f0x this is autistic obviously they mean the medieval persons reading of word not biblical one

@sun @vitalis @f0x @toiletpaper Well wanting to butt rape angels was perhaps a bit on the nose there

@nuukaset @vitalis @f0x

Considering the entire debate stemmed from my posting a joke about "the loophole"... 🤪

the funniest loophole is the mormon practice of soaking

@toiletpaper @vitalis @f0x oh i never read entire threads this place is instant messaging to me

@Ash_Kvetchum @vitalis @nuukaset @f0x @toiletpaper Ever since the Theology of the Body by John Paul II the Catholic Church deems oral and other times of stimulation acceptable only if it's a prelude to ordered sex (ponos in vagoo) and does not cause ejaculation.

I'm always amused thinking about those old virgin (allegedly) dudes debating about what is technically holy in terms of sexual practices.

@Mark @vitalis @f0x @nuukaset @Ash_Kvetchum

> what is technically holey

IFIFY