i HATE that the nvim community is filled to the fuarrrking brim with asshole reddit techbros UGHHH

DIEDIEDIE ALL OF YOU

@fiore emacs welcomes you

I WISH THEPRIMEAGEN A VERY DIE

@chjara > GNUware

not gonna happen

@fiore Consider joining the church , there are no Reddit techbros here.

@SuperDicq you already know that i strive to keep the GNU/presence on my compoopers as close to 0% as possible

@fiore the text editor fandom is dying...

@snacks it SUCKS because making a good text editor nowadays is about as complicated as making a god damn kernel

@fiore I do wanna say that avoiding GNU is very pedantic and there’s no good reason for doing so, even if you disagree with Stallman.

All of the GNU software is free software so you are not beholden to any of its developers if you do not like them.

But you do you.

@fiore @snacks Install plan9port and use acme

@fiore ngl but why do you care about the community of your text edotor as long as the program is good and you can grab your plugins?

@kirby @fiore @snacks this except sam is just fine

@kirby @fiore @snacks if emacs could get a good sam mode id be on emacs ngl

@kirby @fiore return to ed

@kirby @fiore or forth block editors

@coolbean @fiore @snacks the man page for sam looks like a good way to learn sam, and i used this video to learn the basics of using acme, fiore.

@snacks @fiore @kirby this this this

@fiore @snacks
Install Microsoft Edit
It's written in a memory safe language 🦀

@SuperDicq its mostly a bit lol i do use some gnu software . but emacs is straight up Not Fiore Friendly , i rlly feel like it wouldnt match my style

@kirby @snacks poser mentality , i will only ever use acme or sam on a working plan 9 system

@snacks i dont generally but sometimes the plugin ecosystem feels shitbrained . its very big tho so generally u dont rlly notice

@fiore @snacks I hate that after the Lua config support, everyone and their mom wrote custom package managers for their plugins and only provide instructions for those. It feels like every few months there's a new hipster plugin manager for nvim.

@fiore @snacks And also every time I update them, something breaks, because the configuration formats constantly change.

@kirby @coolbean @snacks might give it a look , although acme in general is icky to me because its mouse centric

@phnt @snacks theres gonna be a native one soon , so thats gonna be irrelevant i hope . which makes me very happy

@fiore @phnt > a vi clone coming with package manager
I'm not sure where it says that in the bible but i'm pretty sure thatcs a sign of the end times

@kirby @coolbean @snacks although plan9 cursor is so cool that its actually kinda making me like using the trackpad a little more

@fiore @phnt but yeah, package manager situation is one of the reasons i barely ever use plugins

@snacks @fiore Honestly, I welcome it since it will annihilate the 20 different ones that people use currently. Same way that LSP finally got manageable when it got merged upstream.

@phnt @fiore > lsp got merged upstream
I'm not up to date at all it seems

@snacks @phnt its barely a “package manager” ngl . just a lua api to manage plugins ina nicer way . https://github.com/neovim/neovim/pull/34009

@snacks @phnt ngl ive also been consistently working towards trimming them . every once ina while i notice that a plugin is useless and could just be a native remap , and i remove it .

@snacks @phnt yea i dont have any lsp related plugins anymore . im soon gonna drop mason.nvim too and properly package the language servers i need for chimera .

@snacks @fiore The coc-* node vscode plugin host is finally no more. Configs are stored here: https://github.com/neovim/nvim-lspconfig

@phnt @snacks yea . everything is nice nowadays . all is right with the world.

@menherahair @chjara tempting , but im not rlly looking for a replacement . nvim is nice to me . its just . ppl pmo sometimes

@menherahair @chjara fair enough :P

@fiore @snacks I remember way back when all a text editor had to do was edit text.

No I don’t need an entire operating system inside my text editor. I already have an operating system that works just fine.

@fiore @snacks I’m that bitch who unironically writes code in Nano.

@Willow @fiore @snacks Lol not VSCodium?

@renae @snacks inb4 emacs users

@Willow @snacks @renae u should at least use vscodium if u like that sorta thing . its way way nicer

@Willow @snacks @renae ough

no clue . it might , it might not . of course my recommendation would be to stop using that but . you do you i suppose , i definitely cant stop you

@Willow @snacks @renae no clue . codium generally works with all vscode extensions

@fiore @SuperDicq you can be like me, with vim bindings, all references to GNU excised and Clang used instead of GCC, to blaspheme GNU

@menherahair @chjara @fiore helix

@HatkeshiatorTND @chjara @fiore helix is gay

@fiore @SuperDicq You need some other kernel than Linux then.

@Suiseiseki @SuperDicq how so

@fiore @SuperDicq Documentation/process/changes.rst
====================== =============== ========================================
Program Minimal version Command to check the version
====================== =============== ========================================
GNU C 5.1 gcc --version
Clang/LLVM (optional) 13.0.1 clang --version
Rust (optional) 1.78.0 rustc --version
bindgen (optional) 0.65.1 bindgen --version
GNU make 4.0 make --version
bash 4.2 bash --version
binutils 2.25 ld -v
flex 2.5.35 flex --version
bison 2.0 bison --version
pahole 1.16 pahole --version
util-linux 2.10o mount --version
kmod 13 depmod -V
e2fsprogs 1.41.4 e2fsck -V
jfsutils 1.1.3 fsck.jfs -V
reiserfsprogs 3.6.3 reiserfsck -V
xfsprogs 2.6.0 xfs_db -V
squashfs-tools 4.0 mksquashfs -version
btrfs-progs 0.18 btrfs --version
pcmciautils 004 pccardctl -V
quota-tools 3.09 quota -V
PPP 2.4.0 pppd --version
nfs-utils 1.0.5 showmount --version
procps 3.2.0 ps --version
udev 081 udevd --version
grub 0.93 grub --version || grub-install --version
mcelog 0.6 mcelog --version
iptables 1.4.2 iptables -V
openssl & libcrypto 1.0.0 openssl version
bc 1.06.95 bc --version
Sphinx\ [#f1]_ 2.4.4 sphinx-build --version
cpio any cpio --version
GNU tar 1.28 tar --version
gtags (optional) 6.6.5 gtags --version
mkimage (optional) 2017.01 mkimage --version
Python (optional) 3.5.x python3 --version
GNU AWK (optional) 5.1.0 gawk --version
====================== =============== ========================================

You cannot build Linux without lots of GNU software and GNU code is literally inserted into Linux by GNU bison.

@Suiseiseki @SuperDicq falsenvke award but keep trying , nerd

@fiore @SuperDicq More like GNUKE.

It's not just GNU bison - you need a lot of GNU libraries and GNU programs if you want to build Linux - you need specifically GNU make, GNU bash and GNU ncurses if you want `make menuconfig` for example.

@Suiseiseki @SuperDicq what im hearing is “vendorlock, malware , malware , vendorlock , malware, falsenvke”

@fiore @SuperDicq Vendorlock? That is only applicable with proprietary software that you don't have the complete corresponding source code of - as GNU has expressively given permission to copy-pasta the software elsewhere and provides everything needed to make a clone implementation - but why would sane people bother to write a worse implementation of free software?

No GNU program contains malware - but I guess if you see GNU/Freedom as "malware", you'd see it in every last GNU program.

@fiore @coolbean @kirby @snacks me when im a coyote trying to buy traps out of the catalogue but its for catching jerry mouse

@fiore @Suiseiseki Did you seriously use the term “vendorlock” to describe GNU software?

Do you even understand what the free software movement is about?

@Suiseiseki @SuperDicq how “free” is it really if the code looks worse than perl oneliners . at that point just give me the binary , disassembling it will give me more info on what it does

and thats definitely vendor lock . the whole linux world is taken hostage by gnu , even tho better software has been around for years . but luckily , kernel development is slowly moving away from it .

@fiore @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq do yall think plumbers sit around trying to argue abt plumbing code and pipeline maintenance all day when they arent even clocked in or like

@fiore @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq nevermind thats mean we dont have to think abt that

@Erato_Heti @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq no , its just that nerds are insane people and should all be considered a big societal flaw

@fiore @SuperDicq >if the code looks worse than perl oneliners
I see GNU code and I only see beauty that a perl one-liner cannot possibly achieve.

>the whole linux world is taken hostage by gnu
GNU existed long before Linux and merely a kernel isn't enough to make a world.

>even tho better software has been around for years
There is no other nontrivial OS that is 100% free software other than GNU.

Such so called "better software" is worse freedom-wise and is also worse functionally too, so I don't see how that conclusion is reached.

I don't see Linux development moving towards inferior libraries and programs, after all, the a kernel at least needs to compile properly.

@Erato_Heti @fiore @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq yes 100% they argue about copper pipes all the time

@fiore @SuperDicq @Erato_Heti >The people who keep society from collapsing should be considered a societal flaw.

@Suiseiseki my kernel is compiled with llvm . it Just Works

@coolbean @fiore @SuperDicq @Erato_Heti Copper pipes are excellent for water delivery and don't sag like plastic pipes, even over long distances - the issue is that those on the hunt for more delicious crack steal copper pipes.

@Suiseiseki @fiore @SuperDicq @Erato_Heti suiseiseki is a plumber by trade, who knew

@Suiseiseki @coolbean @SuperDicq @Erato_Heti > delicious crack

man wtf . dont say that

@coolbean @Suiseiseki @Erato_Heti @SuperDicq #doxxed

@coolbean @fiore @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq armchair plumber

@Erato_Heti @fiore @Suiseiseki No, they don’t. Regular IT workers probably don’t think about software outside of work either. But I’m not a regular IT worker, I’m a free software activist.

@coolbean @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @fiore probably waits for the plumber to come over just to constantly explain the problem and hover right over them like 'are you sure thats right' just getting on their nerves the whole time

@Erato_Heti @coolbean @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq its reddit time

@fiore You have an improperly compiled kernel with inferior performance.

Merely swapping out the best compiler for an inferior one doesn't magically make GNU disappear.

It's like Alpine GNU/Linux claiming to be GNU-free, despite the only change from a typical GNU/Linux distro being to use the inferior musl instead of glibc, and having a BusyBox/Linux (BusyBox has GNU code in it) installer just to be edgy (that installs a useless OS until the user goes and installs missing parts of GNU).

@Suiseiseki @fiore @Erato_Heti @SuperDicq Society after all is the most proprietary

@fiore @coolbean @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq YTA you tried to use a filling lodgepoint to grease the sink and now my sink is working but sounds just slightly funny when it drains theres technically a high torque way to avoid this im not paying the bill #mypipesmyrules

@Suiseiseki @fiore @Erato_Heti Indeed, literally all of the world’s infrastructure is held together by a few autistic free software developers.

@Erato_Heti @coolbean @fiore @SuperDicq Something I have never done.

The last time I met an electrician, I had done most of the job for him and I found the thing that needed to be installed, but decided to let him install it (I love doing illegal electrical work).

@Suiseiseki @fiore @SuperDicq @Erato_Heti strong agree on that last part. i LOVE doing electrical work thats totally not up to code

@Suiseiseki @Erato_Heti @SuperDicq @fiore that reminds me i should probably remove the circuit breakers for the old heating system and try to identify and relabel the current ones cause i have absolutely no fucking idea what they do

@Erato_Heti @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @fiore i love the feeling of 230V AC rushing through my hand

@coolbean @fiore @SuperDicq @Erato_Heti >Not up to code.
Unless you're ignoring retarded parts of the code, you must be doing it wrong then and your house it going to burn down.

The best illegal electrical work is competent work that is correct.

@Suiseiseki @fiore @SuperDicq @Erato_Heti its not illegal to do ur own electrical work so long as its up to code tho

whats next can i no longer make toast in my own damn toaster?

@coolbean @fiore @SuperDicq @Erato_Heti It's really not that hard to check the circuit is really off with a multimeter or make sure to not grab the live circuit.

@coolbean @fiore @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @Erato_Heti
electricity-house-burned-down.mp4

@coolbean @fiore @SuperDicq @Erato_Heti In some absolutely proprietary countries, it is illegal to do any electrical work unless you have completed the proprietary certification.

My post are intentionally worldwide covering - I may or may not be in such proprietary countries.

@Suiseiseki @fiore @SuperDicq @Erato_Heti i was installing a lamp and because all our breakers arent labeled properly i couldnt be bothered to turn it all off upstream so i relied on the lightswitch

this is why you dont rely on the lightswitch. but i lived and thought it was funny so ive learned basically nothing. i WILL touch the stove again

@coolbean @fiore @SuperDicq @Erato_Heti With non-polarized plugs, like the US-style plug, if the plug is in one way, the inside of the plug is energized (rather than being connected to negative).

Even with polarized plugs, the polarity is often installed wrong, or the lamp can be wired backwards, meaning you should still assume the inside of the plug is energized.

But really, it isn't that hard to unplug a lamp (unless it's a room light instead of a lamp).

@Suiseiseki @fiore @SuperDicq @Erato_Heti a ceilling lamp, not an outlet lamp. i thought itd be obvious that if im pondering turning off the circuit and getting shocked its probably from bare wires