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wait why do package managers even use http instead of ftp

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@fiore when was the last time you heard the name "ftps"
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@fiore coz sometimes ftp protocol is firewalled ?
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@fiore because ftp sucks. can’t even properly load balance it, or use CDNs for it

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@lea no yea true i more meant like . sftp . yknow . i actually have never had good experience with ftp lol

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@fiore ftp is outdated.
it got deprecated by http(s) and sftp

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@kirby @fiore I love how SFTP is called that but has literally nothing to do with FTP

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@privateger @kirby trying to gaslight ourselves into thinking ftp never happened

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I don't remember exactly so keep that in mind but:

I think modern HTTP can get stuff going with less handshakes. Also FTP needed like two TCP connections active
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@lea @fiore you're literally comparing it against http right now i need you to understand there are no winners to be found here
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@lea @fiore realistically i think maybe rsync would be a decent option

i wish there were an sftp uri so i could also use it to comfortably send people files without involving the foul demon hyper text transit protocol
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rsync makes sense for something like updating the package catalogue (many files that could change) and package managers actually do this. not really useful for a single time single file download

CC: @coolbean@brain.worm.pink @fiore@brain.worm.pink @lea@lea.pet
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@eris @fiore @lea yea for binary packages its perfect (if its just package templates for the love of god use git dont be like gentoo pulling git diffs is way faster than an rsync)
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@fiore @lea cause it WOULD be sftp:// but that rfc was retracted!
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@fiore @lea turns out ssh:// isnt accepted either, great
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@coolbean @lea whaa .. why ?? also , thats weird i have used sftp:// in the past

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@fiore @lea not retracted but the draft expired the ietf never accepted it its not any sort of official standard
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@fiore are the ftp debian mirrors not actually ftp?
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@fiore@brain.worm.pink ftp has hella overhead and is from an era of the internet when security wasn't a consideration.

i say this as an oldfag... it's neato but obsolete :(
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