marriage seems more trouble than its worth
like you’re risking assets from a legal standpoint

@cell yeah in modern society it's disadvantageous for men since divorce is so easy

@cell i think if youre more worried about assets then maybe you havent found your love yet but also i have no assets and risks are thrilling

@genmaicha @cell it has been historically disadvantageous for women, laws vary from state to state but plenty of men get away with not paying child support.

@subnetter @cell @genmaicha If you're unlucky enough you might just pay child support for another man's kid, too. Women are definately winning in the divorce game nowadays.

@pernia @cell @genmaicha

Men are not paying child support for other men's children on average, that doesn't make sense. A father needs to be on the birth certificate for that to be the case the majority of the time. I know plenty of deadbeats who have never paid a dime for children in or out of their lives because of that exact reason.

I grew up with this topic in my household everyday. I'm very familiar with child support cases lol

@subnetter @cell @genmaicha thats why i said "if you're unlucky". It happens. Especially if he thought he was the father and found out later.

There seems to be a class issue too. If you're poor you can just abandon your kids, which is what blacks do. If you're not poor you just get fucked.

@pernia @cell @subnetter @genmaicha I remember one case I saw on the news where the dad wasn't paying so the uncle had to pay. crazy shit

@ElDeadKennedy @cell @subnetter @genmaicha and in most cases women get full custody because they're "more important" in the kids development or some bullshit. And then the dude is stuck in some apartment alone with half his stuff gone. Then the kids might just hate him because the mother made shit up about him because she was mad.

@pernia @cell @genmaicha I've only heard of this happening once fr but it wasn't child support related. Had a CO worker who was gaslit by ex gf into believing he was raising his child but he and his mother got suspicious when the kid ended up looking more Asian as time went on 💀 his mom got a DNA test while gf was out and then that was that, he kicked them all out and became an alcoholic chef.

@pernia @cell @genmaicha dude was 27 and looked in his 40s btw

@subnetter @cell @genmaicha brother, good for him that sucks.

@subnetter @cell @genmaicha nerfed in every respect lmao

@cell what if you don’t have assets

@cell if you have two households, both alike in dignity, you can have a watertight marriage contract that protects your assets husband and i have one, discussing everything including which names we may have in case of separation.

@cell If you're thinking "what if it falls apart" then you shouldn't marry. It's an oath to be taken only towards someone you fully trust.

@cell@shitposter.world that's why sane societies forbid divorce (or severely restricted it) and gave men the authority.

@subnetter @genmaicha @cell Child support is a ridiculous concept as it stands. It should only be a thing if the one paying is the one who requested divorce AND didn't want to keep custody.

@nerthos @cell @genmaicha Nope. This is the opinion of a deadbeat in the making.

You somehow think that a parent not initiating the divorce or relinquishing custody somehow means they don't bear financial responsibility for the child.

Not arguing with anyone who doesn't have experiences with the matter, let alone men who make shit up about how the laws actually work.

@subnetter @cell @nerthos @genmaicha it doesn't seem like too bad of a law. I'd just add that you can only file for divorce in cases of infidelity and or abuse.

@subnetter @cell @genmaicha This is the opinion of someone who considers marriage to be an oath taken before God and witnesses, in which both parties expressly state their commitment to stick to it until death, and not be separated by anything less than divine intervention.

I also said the exact opposite of what you are accusing me of.

If both parties are ok with it, and the kid is fine with it too, then sure go ahead. If one party tries to avoid custody, they should pay. If one party demands full custody against the wishes of the other, they should bear all financial responsibility. If one party committed adultery or otherwise broke the oath, or demands divorce with no clear fault committed, the other party is entitled to both custody and compensation. It must always favour the kid over the parents until the kid is of age, if you had a kid with someone and then suddenly can't stand your spouse, suck it up and act the part until the kid turns 18. It has to be just. I didn't say that's how the law works though, divorce laws are straight out of hell. It's how it SHOULD work.

I would never relinquish custody over a son or daughter.

@pernia @cell @subnetter @genmaicha This is what annulment is. It existed for centuries until adulterous lawmakers started fiddling with it to get away with their shit.

@nerthos @cell @subnetter @genmaicha No, annulment is the declaration of a marriage as invalid, for example, in the case it was coerced, incestuous, or nonconsensual as in a child marriage. So a null marriage is one that was never valid to begin with.

Abuse or infidelity by one or both of the spouses does not annul a marriage.

@pernia @cell @subnetter @genmaicha It does, because the oath on which it was built is false by one of the parts. Plenty of times it was granted on that basis.

@nerthos @cell @subnetter @genmaicha the oath isn't "false", its broken. what specific cases are you thinking of where anullment was granted because of infidelity?

@pernia @cell @subnetter @genmaicha It's 6am on a saturday and I honestly don't have the drive to present a folder of academic research for a thread in which my only point is "the state marriage system is a grift and it should be remade to be based in faith and justice, to favour the part that fulfilled its vows and punish the one that didn't"

@nerthos @cell @subnetter @genmaicha you genuinely don't understand the difference between anullment and divorce.

If its based on infidelity, you would have to prove the cheating spouse never intended to be faithful at the time the vows were given. If the spouse cheats spontaneously after the fact, thats not grounds for anullment.

@nerthos @cell @genmaicha @subnetter This isn't a fucking academic thing, I literally just looked it up. You dumb sack of shit.

@pernia @cell @subnetter @genmaicha For that, there's simple lapidation. Uncomplicated, cheap, shark mentality.

@nerthos @cell @subnetter @genmaicha Justo eso le dirás a Cristo?

@pernia @cell @subnetter @genmaicha

@nerthos @cell @subnetter @genmaicha A bueno. "El que no haya pecado que alze la primera piedra". Buenísimo.

Te metés a un hilo, con la idea de que te podés salir de un matrimonio católico (a la muerte es a la muerte, amigo. Nada de pendejadas de que "hay pero me maltrata" "hay pero me dio la vuelta"), sin saber siquiera la diferencia entre divorcio y anulamiento y escribís un párrafo de tu opinion de mierda acerca del tema. Encima, larpeás de católico, y parece que obedecés a la ley del fariseo, en completo rechazo de Cristo.

Encajás más con los evangélicos, rezándole a la bandera de israel.

@pernia @cell @subnetter @genmaicha Nunca dije que me saldría de un matrimonio. A la muerte es a la muerte. El resto fueron tus delirios autistas.

@nerthos @cell @subnetter @genmaicha A no? No que se podía anular? Pendejo. Se nota lo cobarde que sos, que pensaste que podías anular por infidelidad, solo para no decir que pensás que el divorcio está bien.

Metete tu opinión de protestante imberbe en el ojete, maricón hijo de puta.

@pernia No me interesa lo que diga un animal como vos que descarrila un hilo para tratar de encontrar algo en lo que apoyarse, y no entiende la diferencia entre "lo que yo haría" y "lo que la ley dice o debería decir". Si genuinamente crees las idioteces que estás diciendo encima de autista y puto, sos analfabeto funcional.
Matate, marronazo.

@nerthos @cell @genmaicha @subnetter El cielo no es para pendejos. El hombre da su vida por su mujer, y la mujer se somete al hombre por ello. Porque se da todo. Apedrar a la mujer a la que sometés tu cuerpo no te hace chad, te hace un maricón pobre de espíritu. No pidás amor jamás, que no lo merecés. No llegás ni el pie de lo que pide un matrimonio.

@nerthos ay, el ateito mariconzito se lo tomó personal? Te da verguenza ofenderte en frente de los demás, por eso los destagueás? Tan acertada es mi crítica?

cc @subnetter @cell @genmaicha les presento, al pendejo más grande del mundo.

@pernia Todo lo que veo es un adúltero tratando de esconderse de la piedra que se le viene.

@pernia @cell @subnetter @genmaicha No, es cuestión de ser civilizado y no someter a todos a las idioteces interminables que decís.

@nerthos @cell @subnetter @genmaicha Si pensás que solo ser "civilizado" es suficiente para seguir en los pasos de Cristo, al infierno te vas.

@pernia @cell @subnetter @genmaicha Seguí tratando de adivinar lo que pienso, lo que hagas con tu tiempo es asunto tuyo. Con respecto a mi tiempo, como en literalmente todo hilo en que jamás estás, es perdido en leerte o contestar.

@nerthos @cell @subnetter @genmaicha Antes de que te vayas, amigo ofendido, porque parece que seguís desentendido:

Podría valer cualquier cantidad de verga lo que vos pensés, "Lo que debería ser" ya está claro y escrito. No descarrillo nada, justo es el la idea central. Te invito a leer Efesios 5, para que tengas claro lo que un matrimonio "debe ser", y Juan 8 para que te dejés de la idea de que los católicos apedramos a los pecadores.

Y si había duda, no, el adulterio no es aceptable. Si se comete, se debe confesar para alivar la culpa, y la pareja culpable debe enmendar el daño cometido a la pareja afectada.

@subnetter @pernia @s8n @cell @nerthos @genmaicha absolutely rekt