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Phantasm
phnt@fluffytail.org
"Our software acts like malware, lmao." - Riot Games
https://xcancel.com/riotgames/status/2057604027941302564
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https://xcancel.com/riotgames/status/2057604027941302564
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@phnt this is the worst fucking PR for anti-cheat I have ever seen. If you don't know what all of these words mean it sounds like it's going to brick your nvme
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Badguy✦
lina@eientei.org
@phnt >makes a shitty dota knockoff that nobody likes and hates the players of
>makes a shitty cs knockoff that becomes forever associated with tiktoks of femboys faggots saying "uwu" every time someone gets a kill
>makes a shitty anticheat that bricks systems
>mocks people who get affected
>isn't bankrupt or sued into oblivion
riot games trolling to the max
>makes a shitty cs knockoff that becomes forever associated with tiktoks of femboys faggots saying "uwu" every time someone gets a kill
>makes a shitty anticheat that bricks systems
>mocks people who get affected
>isn't bankrupt or sued into oblivion
riot games trolling to the max
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Phantasm
phnt@fluffytail.org
@snacks Yes, these cards are all based on FPGAs.
The issue isn't that they fuck with IOMMU on the kernel/hardware barrier. The issue is that if it ever misidentifies a legitimate device and triggers an IOMMU fault, the legitimate device can actually soft-brick itself in order to protect what it is doing. NVMe controllers already do this when they get bus errors which an IOMMU fault effectively is, and go into lockdown mode to protect the data. And it will misidentify eventually given enough time.
Not to mention that bragging over basically taking over someone's hardware with the possibility of bricking it by accident isn't particularly a smart PR move.
The issue isn't that they fuck with IOMMU on the kernel/hardware barrier. The issue is that if it ever misidentifies a legitimate device and triggers an IOMMU fault, the legitimate device can actually soft-brick itself in order to protect what it is doing. NVMe controllers already do this when they get bus errors which an IOMMU fault effectively is, and go into lockdown mode to protect the data. And it will misidentify eventually given enough time.
Not to mention that bragging over basically taking over someone's hardware with the possibility of bricking it by accident isn't particularly a smart PR move.
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@RustyCrab @snacks Vanguard is a bragging point for Riot, it always was since it came out.
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@YourAverageNewfag @phnt well it probably wouldn't be criminal, it would likely be a civil tort. However to sue riot you would have to expose that you were cheating which I think could open them to countersuits
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ENCAVSTICVS COMEDIENTIS
CrayonEater@kiwifarms.cc
@RustyCrab @phnt @snacks
They are using DMA PCIe FPGA boards which costs about $150. It's still retarded to spend $150 to buy a chinkslop card to cheat in a chinkslop game, but not nearly as bad as $6000
They are using DMA PCIe FPGA boards which costs about $150. It's still retarded to spend $150 to buy a chinkslop card to cheat in a chinkslop game, but not nearly as bad as $6000
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menherahair
menherahair@eientei.org
@phnt @RustyCrab @snacks >invented banning people for toxic behavior
>legitimized kernel level anticheats
>popularized the worst strategy game genre on earth
>first disciple of tencent
what a great company
>legitimized kernel level anticheats
>popularized the worst strategy game genre on earth
>first disciple of tencent
what a great company
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Phantasm
phnt@fluffytail.org
@snacks Pretty sure the process has no say in that, DMA is mostly all hardware. NT has support for some remapping and protections on the driver level, which they probably use to soft-kill the board already. And it's not like the process could opt out of DMA since almost all hardware subsystems use it nowadays. Disk controllers, networking, graphics,...
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Listens to Baroque while coding murder.exe 
newt@stereophonic.space
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Listens to Baroque while coding murder.exe
newt@stereophonic.space
@phnt @RustyCrab @snacks cheating has been a solved problem for the longest time. Just votekick the cheater from your friendly neighbourhood server. That's it, done.
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@newt @RustyCrab @phnt having people review flagged games and stuff like votekick seem way better than insane anti cheat yeah
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Listens to Baroque while coding murder.exe
newt@stereophonic.space
@snacks @RustyCrab @phnt all this requires is gamers running their own servers. Which of course is never going to happen to corposhit vidya.
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@newt @RustyCrab @snacks Or render the game state mostly server-side while sending as little data as possible to the client. It doesn't work 100% and works less for something like a fast-paced FPS game, but it prevents cheating almost completely without tons of r&d for anti-cheat.
World of Tanks of all games did this from the start and finding cheaters there is a rarity that has been documented only a few times.
World of Tanks of all games did this from the start and finding cheaters there is a rarity that has been documented only a few times.
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Snacks
snacks
@phnt @RustyCrab @newt afaik the riot fps was one of the first shooters that tried that seriously actually
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@YourAverageNewfag @RustyCrab @phnt If you read carefully through that 100 page long ToS, it's probably covered somewhere there. 
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@RustyCrab @phnt @YourAverageNewfag you probably cant really sue riot, they for sure have one of those arbitration clauses
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Fe₂🦀₃⋅H₂🦀
RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co
@paula8 @phnt @YourAverageNewfag those things aren't set in stone if the violation is egregious enough
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@RustyCrab@clubcyberia.co @paula8@netzsphaere.xyz @phnt@fluffytail.org @YourAverageNewfag@poa.st
Nonsense, I still expect your first born
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@RustyCrab @phnt @paula8 @YourAverageNewfag One would need to find some malicious moles (Tencet CCP backdoors or whatever), then a really strong proof (which is probably only obtainable through illicit means), and then one would need class action and serious team of lawyers, and also not in US, because courts there couldn't care less about sticking it up to corpo. All the software like that is like Russian rulette - just don't play, and you won't lose. 
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@niobleoum @RustyCrab @paula8 @YourAverageNewfag Technically even partially bricking the Windows install unless a user disables IOMMU is in breach of federal law. But not like anyone cared in the last 2 decades about that after SecuROM.
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@phnt @niobleoum @paula8 @YourAverageNewfag as long as government officials are not affected nobody cares
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@phnt Riot's software is malware - doing something malicious means that software is malware.
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