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It’s interesting how a lot of people consider downloading a mkv file of an old movie not a legitimate way to acquire it.

But they do see acquiring a used digital disc (dvd or bluray) as a legitimate way.

I don’t understand why. In neither scenario the original author gets any money.

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@SuperDicq there's actually a complex range of considerations to have comparing the durability of physical media to see how much a disc is alike a book in how long you can pass it around and in an ideal world where the movie deosnt get ripped, you need a certain amount of sales to saturate the disc availability so a used copy is available enough
that debate entirely rendered moot by subscription based drm anyways
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@SuperDicq you could make the argument that a used market subsidizes buying the original and thus increases sales
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@SuperDicq the argument is that the creator (or let’s be real, the (((rights holder)))) at least got paid for a copy already with the original copy being sold initially…

in practice this is null and moot in the year of our lord 2026 where physical copies are becoming a thing of the past and streaming and digital services are the norm where the notion of a copy you own is obsolete thanks to drm
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@cell That argument doesn’t hold up for the reason that the author already at least got paid for the copy someone uploaded to the internet as well.

Buying second hand is literally the same thing as downloading.

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@snacks You could make the same argument for unauthorized digital copying.

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@SuperDicq The used disc was paid for once, you are merely just transferring that one copy. Downloading makes a new copy that nobody ever paid for. Imo i think it's more about whether a copy exists that was never paid for at all.
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@reiko

The used disc was paid for once
The uploaded copy on the internet was also paid for once.

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@hj @SuperDicq @reiko if you deleted the pirated copy they get the money back, OP is so stupid
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@hakui @SuperDicq @reiko shredding the disc doesn't give company any money
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@SuperDicq @snacks as a pirate. I frequently find myself paying for merchandise of media ive pirated and enjoyed.

merch sales have a higher profit margin than the movie/game i pirated.
thus directly benefiting the company despite pirating at higher profits.

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@SuperDicq @reiko that logic only holds assuming the person you bought it from made a copy of the disk before selling it

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@k1tteh @reiko They have a copy of the movie literally in their brain because they remember what they have seen on the screen.

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@hj @SuperDicq @reiko that's because you bought the disc instead of pirating it
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@k1tteh @reiko Kind of like Mr Krabs who makes his customer unwatch a movie. That’s how I imagine it.

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@SuperDicq @snacks the difference is that digital copies are nonscarce. their proliferation drives down demand for physical copies.
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@hj @SuperDicq @reiko You mean $1000. $60 per copy? What, is the game on steep sale or something?
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@snacks @SuperDicq he means that piracy can drive demand for the sale of the real thing…
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@snacks @SuperDicq according to the copyright lobby, pirates have cost the movie industry more money than exists on the planet blobcatpirate2 that's as much as ten elon musks! gutkato_malprofito

look at what elon has to do to mimic a fraction of our power blobcathyper2
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@reiko @SuperDicq Every time that disk is played, a new copy is made, as required for playback.
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