@sun i am jealous

@sun how about with Akkoma?

@sun Where is the source code?

@sun I spot 20 emdashes in the tiny readme file and you didn’t even add the .claude folder to your gitignore.

Also I can’t read what license your repo uses without being required to make an account on your forge.

0/10 vibecoded retroslop

@SuperDicq @sun Filtered, good.

@sun You honestly even did retroslop wrong because it is a javascript based single page app. The reason people like retroslop is because it was simple and there was no client side code, just pure serverside rendered HTML using something like PHP. This isn’t even retroslop it’s just aestheticslop.

@sun Thanks for me reminding to check out Radicle at some point. I should play with it sometime.

@sun That’s not the point I am trying to make here.

@sun So basically an outdated looking interface without any of the benefits of an outdated looking interface. I’m not seeing the point of this project. Not that I would use vibecoded garbage anyway.

@sun I do remember, the interface indeed kinda sucked. But it didn’t require javascript or flash or whatever to function and I appreciated that.

@lain @sun I’m not very happy with seeing my long term mutuals promote their vibecoded garbage on the timeline. I really don’t want to have to block you guys. I want to coonvince you to actually start developing free software again.

@sun @SuperDicq

:D

@CapitalB @sun Of course that’s not how you should actually install it.

@sun @lain The problem is that output from LLMs currently has a legally ambiguous status. You can not risk integrating it into any existing free software right now, so that’s why a lot of projects, with some exceptions, choose not to allow it or heavily limit its usage only to specific tasks.

And on a personal note I think obvious LLM output is extremely tasteless. Seeing someone not even use some effort to at least even write their own README file makes me cringe. I always compare it to the same type of feeling you get when you see a corporate logo which uses Comic Sans.

@sun The risk for free software projects is actually the biggest, proprietary software can not be investigated that easily because their source code is secret.

As much as I appreciate you adding a proper copyleft license for this project, this unfortunately this does not matter much. The risk that your LLM pulls in code from other free software projects with an incompatible license is very minimal.

A much greater risk is that the LLM pulls in code from a proprietary software project. Because guess what? LLMs aren’t trained from just from free software repositories obviously. Every person around the world that is using Cursor, Claude, Copilot, Codex, etc. while working on proprietary software projects is feeding their proprietary repositories into their ever growing training data set.

@SuperDicq @sun

Yeah thats why it is the first entry there haha

On a serious note:

>Radicle adopts a local-first, peer-to-peer (P2P) architecture, which draws inspiration from Secure Scuttlebutt (SSB) and Bitcoin’s Lightning Network.

This is interesting. I know Zeronet and IPFS. But a git-oriented P2P storage would enable decentral websites with a lower barrier of entry for devs.

@CapitalB @sun Yes, despite them doing the horrible “just trust our install script and pipe it through sh bro” meme, I do think that their project is very interesting.

It seems like a very interesting way to collaborate on software without a forge website, while also being a little more convenient than using Git over email.

@sun @SuperDicq at least let the ai companies scrape the vibed stuff coming out of their products ;)

@bonifartius @sun They definitely already have it because the output already come from their server.

@SuperDicq @sun i'm just posting half serious takes while drinking a tea BUT it is kind of funny ouroboros situation. if you don't allow them to scrape, the llms wont get better. *insert something about dilemma of commons

@SuperDicq @sun while i'm critical of llms and don't want to use them, moon doing fun things is about the least bad thing i can think of with llms. i don't see why i should shit on that.

@bonifartius @sun I used to respect him as a free software developer but I haven’t seen him write a single line of code since LLMs became mainstream and that makes me sad.

@SuperDicq @sun you can not like what someone does but still respect them. e.g. i don't like the church, but i don't shit on people active in the church if they don't do harm to anyone - usually they even do good. moon works to do nice things for fedi, i don't need to shit on this. i only find the irony in that scrapers are an annoyance for self hosting llm generated code funny, but those scrapers are annoying for me as well.

@bonifartius @sun I also shit on people for going to church by the way.

@sun @SuperDicq almost every build and module system is absolute hell to use and i quit using languages when possible if the tooling is shit. the only half decent one i know is go, and even that has warts.

@sun @bonifartius I do like pretty churches from an architectural and historical standpoint too.

@sun @SuperDicq i don't think the environmental arguments about power usage or datacenters are very good, especially when considering other opinions the same people hold on certain wars etc. the datacenter water usage is a problem, but using fresh water for cooling is pretty stupid anyway. putting datacenters on a green meadow is retarded as well, put them in some industrial area. the issue is HOW things are done, imo.

@sun @SuperDicq out of interest, how does the church in japan handle buddhism and shinto? my main gripe with christianity (and the other monotheistic religions) is that they have been great destroyers of culture.

@bonifartius @sun Environment arguments about compute power are always pointless. Of course people who don’t like the think the energy used is wasted energy. And of course people who like the thing consider the energy used to not be wasted.

The thing I find most annoying is that the “AI” hype bubble has completely fucked up the hardware supply right now. I wish there was more regulation that actually prevented big companies from just buying up the entire world supply of a thing which then quadruples its price for everyone else. That should just not be allowed.

@Phobos @lain @sun I really enjoy writing READMEs actually. It is like the one thing of your program that almost every user will see. Most people may never look at the code, but almost everyone will look at the README.

@Phobos @lain @sun Whenever I’m working on a project for a really long time I really look forward to writing the README because writing a README is like finally being able to tell the rest of your world about the thing you made.

@Phobos @lain @sun I added a section to my ComboChat readme that explains how to extend it. https://codeberg.org/Jiyu/ComboChat#creating-custom-elements-sources

I do hope that with this information someone will actually contribute a new feature at some point and that makes it worth taking the effort to write that to me.

@SuperDicq @sun if one isn't interested in modern games it's without consequence in my opinion. most recent RAM i have is DDR4 in my notebook. the other computers i have are DDR3. if games weren't made by incompetent frauds putting together assets in unreal engine DDR3 would be enough for a long time. storage likewise, SATA SSDs are still cheap, if you get a SAS controller those drives are cheap refurbished. it's all bullshit.

@bonifartius @sun

SATA SSDs are still cheap
Nope, they also increased in price significantly as they use the same chips as the M.2 ones.

@Phobos @lain @sun I do want to say I am also the particular kind of autist who enjoys editing wikipedia as well.

I like to argue that documentation is more important than the actual code often, because without proper documentation nobody knows how to use it. There’s probably many software projects out there being really underappreciated simply because they lack proper documentation.

@sun @lain @Phobos I love endless online arguments if you can’t tell

@snacks @SuperDicq @CapitalB @sun there are ways you can fingerprint a curl | sh and sneak a malicious script in. Besides that, you can't read the installer source when doing that.

@snacks @CapitalB @sun It’s not. You should never blindly download and execute binaries. I know this format of software distribution got popularized on proprietary operating systems like Windows, but that’s not how most GNU/Linux that have strict packaging policies and a reproducible and verifiable build do things…

@snacks @phnt @CapitalB @sun The argument is not that you should every line of source code of every piece of software that you install. That would be unreasonable.

But if you get your software from a trusted source, such as an established package repository instead of the author themselves that helps a lot.

@snacks @SuperDicq @CapitalB @sun I can verify a binary if they provide a signed checksums file. You cannot do that when you blindly pipe a script into sh. It's not about trust really, but about avoiding compromised sites/installers.

@snacks @SuperDicq @CapitalB @sun If the checksums file is signed with the developers key published elsewhere, or on a key server. You can publish fake checksums all you want, but the signature won't be correct against the developer's key. Only a hash collision would be an issue.

@Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @sun spinning rust ftw. also where is SAS itself proprietary? maybe the controllers are.

@sun This looks neato, worked with my instance just fine.

@jeffcliff @sun Typical Rust-based software. For fucks sake.

@jeffcliff @sun “Rust will definitely replace C soon”, says developer whose software can’t be properly packaged in any mainstream GNU/Linux distro.

@Suiseiseki @jeffcliff @sun True, Debian recently installed Anubis unfortunately.

@jeffcliff @Suiseiseki @sun He means that his distro just simply doesn’t come with reportbug because it isn’t Debian. Doesn’t mean he can’t install it though.

@snacks @SuperDicq @CapitalB @sun The Zed editor? I didn't end up installing it because of that. Gentoo has a package for it, but I'm not building rustware for 6 hours. Too lazy to check GitHub for binaries.

Sure, most people don't check checksums and signatures. Their issue, but I do.

@mischievoustomato @besserwisser @Phobos @lain @sun Except it is usually not a very good teacher except for really basic stuff because it does almost everything wrong.

@mischievoustomato @lain @sun @besserwisser @Phobos It’s 2026, LLMs are totally good now guys! It never ever would do anything wrong!

@SuperDicq @lain @sun @besserwisser @mischievoustomato @Phobos It's 2026, programmers are totally good now. They can never do anything wrong after they've been programming since the 70's.

@phnt @lain @sun @besserwisser @mischievoustomato @Phobos Programmers learn from their mistakes. LLMs do not.

@mischievoustomato @lain @phnt @sun @besserwisser @Phobos Have fun with your proprietary slopcode.

@mischievoustomato @Phobos @besserwisser @lain @phnt @sun

linux and the accompanying software
Why are you people so afraid to say GNU. Just say GNU.

@lain @besserwisser @Phobos @sun @mischievoustomato The trap is you’ll end up sucking Sam Altman’s dick.

@besserwisser @Phobos @lain @SuperDicq @sun @mischievoustomato I've been using Kagi Assistant with either GLM or Kimi. Barely use half the monthly quota anyway.

But if you don't use Kagi already, maybe getting something more than a webpage chat is better.

@lain @Phobos @SuperDicq @besserwisser @sun @mischievoustomato You learn barely anything in the process. LLMs are great for newbies to get started and explain stuff as you go. Mostly because you bypass knowledge gatekeepers and nonexistent docs. But if you let it do everything from the start, you won't get that most likely.

In order to use LLMs for "make XYZ, make no mistakes or you go to jail", you have to know how things are supposed to look and work to at least tell it to fixup what it did wrong. And you won't have that experience if you don't have at least some background.

GitHub is a great example when you let everyone aislop a site with barely any experience when most of the original devs left. It's basically unusable now, even if you ignore the frequent downtime. Back navigation half works, switching issues/PRs/code tabs does not work most of the time,...

@mischievoustomato @phnt @Phobos @lain @besserwisser @sun It’s easy to avoid Github issues by not using Github.

@SuperDicq @lain @sun @besserwisser @mischievoustomato @Phobos Yeah, you should use Codeberg that instead. Surely that won't backfire.

@phnt @lain @sun @besserwisser @mischievoustomato @Phobos Codeberg has got some weirdo policies right now, so I can’t fully recommend it. But overal I think the Forejo software is decent at least.

@lain @Phobos @SuperDicq @besserwisser @mischievoustomato @sun Kinda like how cheating at tests doesn't help your learn. It's just a bypass for a broken school system that punishes any mistakes.

Making the little cheat sheets helps with learning though.

@phnt @lain @Phobos @besserwisser @mischievoustomato @sun I didn’t care about school at all and I’m not gonna lie if I was still in school today I would also use LLMs to skip everything.

@mischievoustomato @lain @phnt @sun @besserwisser @Phobos I wonder if my bachelors is gonna worth more because I finished my degree in a time where LLMs didn’t exist yet.

@mischievoustomato @lain @phnt @sun @besserwisser @Phobos I wonder if employers really look at if someone got their degree before 2022 or not.