when a girl is socially oblivious and naïve to her detriment, she's ditzy.
when a girl is assertive or particular and enjoys schedules and logic, she's got moxie or is a control freak.
when a girl overthinks social situations or has generalized anxiety and worry to an extreme level, she's shy.
when a girl takes things too literally, she's a smartass.
when a girl has eccentric beliefs or interests and a strong moral compass, she's quirky and stubborn.

@f0x when a girl, she

it's not even like any of these perceptions are terrible, it just goes to show that with a little inherent charm you can get away with being however you want. The eye contact thing makes people surprisingly upset, though.

Typically, you only have issues if you're dealing with psychos.

@f0x oh hello, you rang?

@f0x these read like the opinions of someone who thinks the only valuable part of relationships is sex

@pwm you're not a psycho no matter how many times you insist such

@npc alone, all of these things can be true, together, she has autism. It's just supposed to highlight how people can dismiss very obvious issues in a person by attributing an appropriate personality trait to such. Someone asked me a question about the difference in symptom expression for ladies and while there are some actual function differences, a lot of it is social perception. Worst part about this thought exercise, is, it doesn't actually matter. I should be doing something else.

@shibao @f0x :descartes:

@f0x I have opted to keep eye contact in a way that makes others uncomfortable and then they break it. Who's the autist now?

@cinerion drawing helped with eye contact but now i can't because then i'll think about drawing instead of whatever the person is saying like half of the time.

@f0x maybe it's my own experience being in a relationship with a mentally ill woman talking, but i'm sure there are people out there who are capable of appreciating how complicated a human person is without just giving up and assigning the appropriate labels. if social media doesn't turn everyone into completely unfeeling psychopaths anyway.

@f0x I think Jordan Jensen has a routine about this or at least talks about it and I think it's mostly just a component of being A Woman™️, thanks for playing

@shibao the nature of what it means to be female psychologically is so fucked, it's really frustrating, and because of how the pendulum swings all the scientific papers on it are totally fucking retarded and not helpful;

Yes being female is different than being male, yes there are physical and neurological differences, no, neither party will stop lying about what those differences objectively are. You are totally fucking alone in figuring out how *you* work. Good luck.

@f0x listening to jordan jensen has really helped me honestly because I never really listened to anyone name a lot of these things specifically. I feel like she has the gift of prophecy from her mania and I'm not sure how much she realizes it, instead it's "haha i'm just so mentally ill"

@npc I also think a lot of the things people view as neurological conditions are actually just normal variations of what being human with a neural network can mean. Like, issues with input like photophobia, agoraphobia, loud and claustrophobia inducing places like crowds, issues with tactile sensation particularity, issues with tying oneself to time outside of your own habits, these are genuine neurological issues/inconveniences that can prohibit you from functioning within the realm of normalcy (if you ignore the fact that we are supposed to function in groups, and while independence is the goal we obviously cannot do everything ourselves, not even mentioning the religious belief that you are literally half a person and some level of dependency to distribute the many tasks life demands of you between wife and husband is normal and fine and in our nature), and, like, there are some instances where ones inability to read social situations can be real and really annoying or bad, but otherwise, outside of those actual issues, a lot of... "yeah society sucks and for some reason half of our practices are based on lies, because people don't actually have social structure, they just have 'path of least resistance', and it's *normal* to take the path of least resistance, and if you don't you're weird and will be ousted from our terrible social system, and we've made it so the only way to succeed is by staying within it."

It's a very confusing 'social ecosystem' out there.

conclusion, while class 1 does exist, it is annoying that a lot of things I think are reasonable are actually reasons why I don't integrate with society well. And that I likely will always have these issues with society for the rest of my life, which will affect my ability to function within ±without seeming odd.

@shibao i'll give her a listen. If she's the reason for your recent "if you're a straight man who is waiting for a woman, just be gay" opinion i will not be giving her a listen.

@f0x >if you're a straight man who is waiting for a woman, just be gay
that's literally the opposite of what i said, i said straight and infertile.

anyways jordan kind of is liberal by default because she's in nyc but she got cancelled or whatever imo for basically just not accepting the leftist dogma so I think she has a pretty accurate view of things. she just needs to get out more

@f0x let me try that again. I meant not(straight and infertile) you really don't want me posting logical proofs at you

@shibao if you read what you said ydid not say that

@f0x i've been getting shit sleep the past few days but basically if you can't reproduce (aka literally what catholics whatever else believe is holy which is why they ban even condoms because technically that breaks the rules) then being gay is fine

@shibao @f0x there is ample historical and statistical evidence to suggest that most Catholic priests are gay

@shibao there are routes one ought to take for infertility but, in application, where due to nature of man sin is normalcy, this is what happens typically, yes.

@f0x yes but i was arguing that if people are able to reproduce then anything other than celibacy or the path towards a monogamous relationship is degenerate. the exception is if there is no avenue available here. and it's not his responsibility to verify every single possible woman is viable, a guy who is shipped off to a new city every day across the country by his job isn't morally bad because he isn't on tinder or whatever. A man chasing a twink when he could be chasing a woman is degenerate, but if there's literally no woman interested i him then it's not his responsibility to ask every woman for permission so he can fuck a twink. if he's fertile then the twink would instantly become degenerate if a woman becomes interested in him at all. idk why this is so controversial

@f0x if someone is gay then they're considered infertile for the purposes of degeneracy or not because he is claiming that he is incapable of entering into wedlock aka a healthy environment for a child, and only him and god knows how authentic he is being. i think second order effects have moral consequences but they don't have any bearing whether something is moral or immoral or not

@shibao because the degeneracy does not go away with availability or even ability.

@f0x that's just saying degeneracy is degenerate, if there was no availability or ability then it wouldn't have been degenerate. if you're saying avoid anything that could lead to degeneracy then sure but call yourself puritan, or maybe degrowth nowadays

@subnetter @shibao not surprising given it's a role that kind of demands celibacy, and not everyone is fit for that, especially with how many roman catholic priests are needed? It's just impossibke to find that many people who are fit for the role

@f0x @shibao gay men are not exactly known for being celibate

Catholicism is unique in the sense that it wants their gays to stay in the closet despite the historical documentation of gay priests and nuns.

@f0x basically under my moral framework, twinks are as degenerate as being emotionally invested in a vtuber. the determination of degeneracy is whether women are still available regardless of the practical consideration of how public they are making known their singleness is. I'm sure some white nationalists would say that any unpaired white male that isn't spending his entire savings on billboards until he has a white wife is unethical but i disagree with that. i know that's a strawman but still

Yeah, those guys that are in bed with the new world order.

@subnetter@shitposter.world @f0x@dsmc.space @shibao@shitposter.world

@f0x
Yes

@shibao you're wrong that being gay means infertile, but you're right that forcing a gay guy to 'stop' and enter wedlock is not a healthy situation either. I don't know the answer to it but I wouldn't be so quick to say that God can "know his authenticity", he explicitly states that it's a sin. How exactly to fix this, I'm unsure. I think he can know his struggle, if that's what you mean by know his authenticity, but I imagine he must be trying to fix it.

@f0x I think that theoretically forcing a gay guy to stop isn't just unhealthy but is degenerate. catholics and orthodox can argue that because natural law or god's will or whatever exists independent of reality that involuntary action of forcing someone who wasn't actually gay into a straight relationship maybe would be fine because they would realize they weren't gay and it would all be fine. i think that is only valid if you were explicitly told by god, if you're operating without that divine inspiration then you're just thinking that something is the case or trying to gamble on what you think would decrease degeneracy in the world which is degenerate in itself. and that's besides the fact of having the arrogance to act on god's behalf. I think it's telling that leviticus doesn't just say having sex with another man, but having sex with another man as with a woman, if god wanted to correct me then maybe

i've also said this before but if protestants actually believe that god is the same god as the old testament then I feel like there should be a lot less "he explicitly states that it's a sin" and more this is what xyz states and this is what makes sense in morality even without needing a biblical worldview and cross god at your own risk

@f0x @shibao >neither party will stop lying about what those differences objectively are
this screwed me over a lot when I was young. not just about the difference between sexes, but everything. what we should be doing, what was fair between people, and very often it came down to how it was foolish to act morally. all the time I'd see stuff, intelligently written, making blanket statements about what people were like, why they acted how they did, and looking back I just didn't realize that it was all bullshit-- so I spent a LOT of time trying to reconcile everything I'd been fed-- I'd find myself thinking in a different completely incompatible framework sometimes each day. not even "reliable" scientific publications were immune to this, and often ended up leading me down the same kinds of rabbit holes that ended up leading to elegant- and correct-looking worldviews that just ended up having damning flaws.

it didn't start in psychology for me but it's why I became so interested in it. I spent a lot of time trying to fit myself into typologies and temperaments etc etc etc. trying to figure out why things weren't working.

took me way too long to realize that often times people don't tell you what's true from their point of view, only what they *want* to be true. this didn't help me figure out what's actually going on, but it did give me a heuristic to use to figure out when someone's lying, and what the shape of that lie might be. It also helped me realize that a lot of the stuff I thought I had learned, sometimes going way back to when I was little, I just had to discard entirely.

this was made easier for me because a lot of the stuff I'd "learned" was nihilistic blackpill shit. but I *have* seen people end up happy, I *have* seen virtue and goodness and stuff like that be rewarded. so it was freeing too.

maybe we just live in an exceptionally bad time for clear thinking. lots of people with lots of different incentives to give wrong explanations. tldr I relate to what you're going through. I'm not beyond it myself I still do this kind of thing a lot. hoping this helps-- or maybe "helps" is too strong a word. but just saying I'm in it too. maybe most people are, in different ways, it's just overwhelming to think about, so they just pick one of these frameworks to live in and avoid looking too far outside it.

hope this was relevant rofl

@subnetter @f0x @shibao identifying as a gay man usually basically means you have no interest in being celibate

@f0x just don't give a fuck

Unless someone is paying my bills it does not concern me

@meso @f0x @shibao

That's not necessarily true but most men are wh*res and two men means double wh*ring

Of course there are exceptions, but yes I do think gay men have interesting views on monogamy and such

@subnetter @meso @f0x whoring needs to be understood as a gender-independent phenomenon yes

@bajax bro i think we independently wrote basically the same rant https://shitposter.world/notice/B9VLCui2Eb9AZKhyEa

@subnetter @f0x @shibao gay men are faggots

@shibao probably I'm out of manic energy atm sorry

@shibao will bookmark and read later (I never use that feature need to start)

@f0x when a girl is at the bathroom and it smells foul, she's shitting

@npc @f0x born2feel

@shibao @f0x what the fuck is going on

@f0x i will say my life has greatly improved just by not fighting it as much. like i can't express my unironic political opinions around anyone that i know irl, but stuff like eye contact, talking too slow, etc. i just kind of stopped worrying about, at least when i'm with people who know me. i worry about being inauthentic as an artist, and if i don't integrate with society well then that just is how it is, but i don't think any world-ending disaster would happen if people would just be true to their authentic selves in most cases. that's partially why i quit having a day job and went freelance full time, and why i'm trying to start a film studio for people who just want to be creative. idk, i'm an artist and a sentimentalist at heart, i'm too italian for this world
pasta la vista pizza tower.webp

@npc that's kind of what I mean when I say things adjacent to "this thought exercise/realization is inconsequential" because, who cares, I know I've stopped caring, but I can't help but go on frustrated rants about the state of psychology as a weird pseudo-philo-science when it has every bit of evidence it needs to be a real fucking science already.

@f0x i personally don't know shit about psychology, i can only speak from my own experience, but it's been my experience that trying to adhere to greater society's idea of normalcy is lame and more authentic human connection happens outside of social norms.

@f0x Now which one is f0x projecting herself in

@phnt @f0x I am all of these bitches

@phnt the answer is all of them.

@phnt @f0x i genuinely dont know if f0x is a man or a woman at this point

@david @f0x She's too fujo to be a man.

@phnt @f0x yea maybe she doesnt have a penis actually

@phnt @f0x BBQ from a couple nights ago

@f0x Woman is the retard of the world

@syzygy retard mode, woo.

@phnt @david i'm not a fujo 💢

@phnt @david IT'S TRUE !!! WHEN HAVE I EVER BEEN A FUJO OUTSIDE.OF PARTICIPATING IN OTHER MENS GAY JOKES !!! THEY STARTED IT !!! IS A WOMAN TO BE BARRED FROM THE JOY OF CALLING TWO MEN GAY ???

@f0x @david
>IS A WOMAN TO BE BARRED FROM THE JOY OF CALLING TWO MEN GAY ???
Absolutely not ;)
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@f0x @david @phnt a well-regulated fujo, being necessary to the security of a free fediverse, the right of the woman to make and participate in gay jokes shall not be infringed

@npc @phnt @david i must add that, in order to be a fujo you must *want* the two men to be gay. i never want that. It just happens. They act like fags around me, i go along with it

@subnetter @f0x @shibao why is every time i see u u jux talm out of ur FUCKING ASS bro?

@shibao @f0x yo being infertile isn't a liscence to be gay what r u sayin

@f0x when a girl posts on fedi , not making me a sandwich.

@demha what sandwich do you want

@f0x im actually offended you didnt get offended.

tuna salad.

@demha okay

@f0x ew a senkoposter.

@demha 🖕

@f0x i know what you are and i think you absolutely condemned.

@demha a ... senko .. poster?

@f0x @demha weeb 🗞️

@f0x @shibao if someone is gay then the first answer is to remain celibate/stop participating in it, you don't have to be gay to pursue celibacy, for example priesthood.

in my mind it's not very dissimilar of someone just staying chaste either because they are not married/divorced/widowed.

a man who used to be in a marriage that ended because of either reason is asked to not marry someone else, which naturally means not having sex anymore.

of course a lot of people will fail, but that's just how it goes, they can ask for forgiveness (not implying it's to be abused, people will be tempted to sin, it is what it is, and as long as repentance is genuine it will be accepted).

the general discussion around this is completely poisoned by modern politics by those who believe "it's totally okay to be gay and participate in it", and those who believe that gay people will inherently automatically go to hell for having that attraction.

tl;dr, straight people are also asked to not participate in it, some asked to just remain celibate their whole lives, i don't really see why it can't be applied to gay people the same way.

@f0x where does girlfailure fit into this format

@bleedingphoenix something something ~when a girl cannot tie herself to a proper (±hygienic) schedule, she's a girlfailure

@themilkman @f0x @shibao

@f0x @bleedingphoenix oh so just femoid failsons

@themilkman @shibao that's what I was saying. it's just up to the person. I also think that due to the nature of homosexual attraction being rooted in having an oversexual system, redirection might make more sense.

@f0x @shibao >homosexual attraction being rooted in having an oversexual system

hmm first i heard of that, can't say too much since i didn't do much research, but i do think every human suffers from one category of sin more than the other always.

everyone will trip up and fall during their path of overpowering that temptation, but it's that pursuit that is inherently good and justified, and as long as they keep up and try, they are justified (this is something i do have to constantly hammer into myself, so i understand).

you can't expect perfection, especially with the sin of lust.

you notice that those who tend to condemn it the most (to the point of committing heresy) tend to be the most guilty, trying to make their own lust seem "less" sinful, they are just tricking themselves really.

@f0x verily i cannot say, as the mere thought does perturb me horrifically so, such that my visage ages so. My hair whitened, my teeth browned as is normal, but much more queer, more noticeable are these horrid percolation that are striked across my face. Wrinkles they say, wrinkles to me that while should be sign of a lived lived, do not remind me off that but an increasing horror that i too will meet my maker at a time i cannot dictate nor prepare for. One where i shall be as naked and vain-less as the day i was born with all my sins shown to me as i am judged.

judged for talking to a senko poster.

@demha @f0x

@f0x fuck these typos i cant be btohered no more lynch

@f0x @themilkman >the nature of homosexual attraction being rooted in having an oversexual system
i don't agree with this from my lived experience but i think it certainly can be that way. i don't think the classic image of lesbian couples who just want to live together is equivalent to the guy who starts jerking off to traps after the egirls start becoming too boring or something idk what the kids are doing nowadays. maybe it's like ai gooner porn or something

@RustyCrab @f0x @shibao @themilkman Ðis happenedeþ to my buddy Elric ðᵉ Fooliſh