Truth nuke so big it killed every LLPSIgger and comprehensible input faggot on earth

@dagda
CI faggots are everywhere now and it's so annoying, so I'd say it gets less and less obscure each year. Any time someone recommends learning a language nowadays redditors will tell them "duuude grammar is pointless, bro. you can just learn japanese by watching 2,000 hours of anime subtitled in japanese. you can't translate the words either you have to figure them out through context duuuude."
It's beyond pissing me off and every single nigger who says this needs to be banned from ever posting on the internet again

@yomiel gay take cuz idk what hes talking about

@meso
The input hypothesis is the idea that the only way humans really 'acquire' language is when they get 'comprehensible input' (I.E, I point to an apple and say "This is an apple"). It was popularised by a guy called Steven Krashen, though ideas similar had floated around for a while.

As the guy is yapping about, it's basically unfalsifiable, because if you learn through textbooks and you can speak the language, the inputfag will say "Ah, but you actually acquired the language when you began to read the language, not from just reading out of a textbook."

The Wikipedia page on the input hypothesis sums it up best: "[The] two of the main criticisms state that the hypotheses are untestable, and that they assume a degree of separation between acquisition and learning that has not been proven to exist."

@yomiel well, it's technically true because all language is categorization of stuff in your mind to words communicable to others. when you learn of "apple" in spanish, you are thinking of an apple. you associate the letters of apple with a certain feeling, view, neural activation. But you dont have to be shown something to know what it is. you can have a feel. ive had a lot of words in english that ive basically guessed the meaning of based on the sound, because ive heard them in the past and remembered them only with the context emotion in which they were said

@meso
It's not to say you can't learn a language like that, obviously people went to tribal villages in the 1500, 1600 and 1700's and learned their native languages with any textbook. The point is that for most people actually trying to learn a language there's no reason to purposely avoid translation or grammar lessons, which is what most inputfags will advocate for.

@nigger
LLPSI is, in fairness, the absolute peak of graded readers mixed with grammar lessons and isn't really comprehensible input in the sense Krashen's followers talk about. Hans Ørberg joined the Nature Institute 25 years before Krashen even debuted his Input hypothesis.
CIfags online recommend hours and hours of immersion, by comparison, LLPSI has you do exercises after each chapter. CIfags even claim you don't need to do these kinds of grammar exercises, since you should just pick that up naturally by listening and comprehending.
The problem is the fans of LLPSI and the disciples of Krashen can often overlap online, believing that they're from the same schools of thought, when they really aren't.

@dagda @yomiel its such a niche trvke its a AGM-114R9X missile

@nigger
That's what I mean in the overlap though, a lot of niggers online will say shit like "NEVER translate a word meaning, it will inhibit your ability to 'acquire' it" even when talking about LLPSI. Sometimes, especially in text, you can't figure out a word meaning, and it's certainly better to look it up than go through with a false assumption. But CIggers are so dogmatic that you should learn the language 'through natural input' that they think that's going to damage your 'language acquisition'. Basically, their high IQ argument usually is, "That's not how the people in X country learned it as a child!"

@nigger
>kids take a decade of full-time learning to become fluent, why would anyone want to emulate that?
I think it's because it sounds like a good argument if you think about it for a second, "Oh yeah, I learned my language without ever reading a dictionary, textbook or practising grammar."
But as you say, it's retarded when you think about it for a second. It's just a massive waste of time. And unless you live in the country of your target language, it'd be almost impossible to be receiving as much 'input' as a child from that country would when learning their first language.