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@Tony tony what kind of saw do i need to buy to cut wood. to build a table.

@whirly id get skil saw with a wood blade.

Thats probably the cheapest ($100-$250) depending on brand and blade.

But if you want to be a wood worker I’d find a wood working shop with table saws and a band saw.

If you just want like a rough cut table for the garage or something skil saw and some sand paper is fine

@Tony can I get something attached to a table like this? or something else attached to a table idk? i have to use it in my apartment, in the kitchen.

I don’t wanna be a wood worker. that’d be sick tho. I just want to build a table for my Legos

@whirly you can get a table saw if you want but it’s massively over kill for most like small projects. Unless you plan to use it all the time.

Table saws are good for cutting sheets of stuff, creating mitered edges, etc but a hand saw like this one is more versatile and cheaper.

Also, a table saw in your apartment would be hilarious. Saw dust everywhere.

Honestly, maybe just go pay to use a wood working shop for a day.

@whirly or, dude just go to Home Depot, have them cut a sheet of plywood, buy some 2 by 4s and then screw them together. Unless you’re trying to make something fancy I’d keep it simple. You do not need a full table saw in your apartment lol

@Tony im not gunna pay to use some other man’s tools, im gunna buy my own tools like a real man

ok ive never used a saw before,, what do you put the wood on to hold it while you cut with that?? that was the appealing part of the table ngl lol

@Tony I was thinking I could take the blade out, throw a table cloth over it, pull the stools up and mom would never know I swapped out our kitchen table for a table saw

@whirly

oh..boy...

lol

You use a "saw horse"

You can improvise one - for example i've used 5 gallon buckets and a piece of plywood before - but you can either buy them too.

I mean if you plan to use a saw a lot the table saw is cool. They're just big and cumbersome and make a mess and are loud.

Whereas a skil saw just fits in a drawer.

@Tony @whirly do unskilled saws cost less

@whirly I mean you could do that...

If you do get a table saw - get some of this:

And aim it out the window so you don't fill the apartment with saw dust. Some of them have bags on them but it still throws saw dust all over. lmao

@mitchconner @whirly Yes. lol yes they do

@mitchconner @Tony @whirly I would just use a table saw

@EllisDee @Tony @whirly that's the low skill saw

@whirly But in all seriousness, if you've never used a saw before I would find someone to show you how to use one of those because saw blades can take off a finger very quickly lol. And they can sometimes bind and suddenly jam/throw wood all over or take off a finger. Plus, they are not meant to be used in an indoor room like a living room - they throw off dust all over the place and are loud as shit. lol

@Tony @whirly this twink wants to lose his digits

@subnetter @whirly power to him, but sticking one of those things in a kitchen is a massive overkill lol. I don't even own one anymore because I need to use something that size like once every 2 years.

@subnetter @whirly To give you context, I would buy one only if I had to install 2000 square feet or more of subfloor/sheathing, or like multiple decks lol. Anything less than like 100s of cuts and I just use a skil saw for everything....

@subnetter @Tony I do not want to lose my digits. I’m going to be an accountant. I need all of them. For counting.

@Tony ngl I was a liiiittle scared when I was drilling a hole into a metal pole and the bit snapped and flung the drill out of my hands.
I don’t want that to happen with a saw. Spooky.
Idk anyone to teach me tho, if I did I probably would’ve known about the horse.
there can’t be that much to it yeah??

@whirly I've trained a bunch of people in using saws and it always terrifies me. Like people cut towards themselves or like reach over the running blades and stuff lol.

Watch some youtube videos it's not hard, its mostly common sense, like don't reach over the running blade, use a block to push the wood through it not your fingers, make sure it is unplugged and turned off when you work on it, etc.

@whirly One of the guys I worked with used to scare the shit out of me when he used a nail gun. After he got a new job he called me a few weeks later and he accidentally shot one of his coworkers through the cheeck wit ha 3" framing nail...

Like 99% of power tool safety is common sense, like don't aim the nail gun at another person. I'd highly suggest watching some youtube videos about safety, and then just messing around with it first if you do insist on buying one. Like just get a 2 by 4 and cut a bunch of times just to get comfortable with it. Once you get used to the noise, and stuff it's easy but people are scared of it and make stupid mistakes and thats how they end up in the hospital.

@Tony @whirly you can also throw one together with scrap wood, if you need one you probably have the required scrap wood

@Tony @whirly all the nail guns I've used needed to be depressed at the nail injection site as a safeguard was he pulling that back and playing with the trigger?

@whirly @Tony hey I'm a dad

@Tony @whirly Wrong

@Tony @whirly for the electric options you can either get a circular saw to cut straight cuts or a jigsaw which is more handy but the cuts will need more control to be straight. You can also buy a sawzall. You can make yourself two sawhorses or buy them.
You also need a chisel if you're gonna be doing joinery like dovetails or mortise and tenon (thing gets pushed and glued inside other thing)

@meso @Tony @whirly a sawzall can not be used to make a straight cut, any one thats telling you they made a straight cut with one is a liar

@whirly @Tony table saw is slightly overkill though exactly for this job (very square cuts) and you need to be very careful, the wood can catch on the blades and it can kick it back to your side and fuck you up. It can also slide or you could be inattentive and there goes a finger unless you're using sawstop

@noids @Tony @whirly ive made a straight cut with it. Skill issue

@noids @Tony I do not have scrap wood. Or tools. Or nails. Or anything. Just a piece of paper with a drawing of what I want (:

@whirly @Tony you can get pallets for free from a lotta places if you have some vehicle to carry them with

@Tony @whirly you can make a sawhorse yourself its a fun project but its hard to make little things that you need instead of buying them when youre excited about making a big thing
https://youtube.com/watch?v=j7O7Efrzvv0
These are pretty simple and good

@noids @Tony I’ll buy some horses I don’t mind buying stuff. The 5gal buckets sound nicer than those tho bc buckets are nice to have lol

@Tony train mee turn me into a tradie. this degree is KILLING ME

@meso @Tony I think im gunna go with a circular saw buut im deciding on the brand now.

I think I wanna go Makita because we had a pet rat named Makita and he was awesome. need to buy a drill too tho.

@meso @whirly I tried to say skill saw but he's dead set on the table saw.

A jigsaw is good for round holes but for a table idk.

@Tony @meso noo ill get the circular saw i just didnt know about the horsesss. mom would be pissed about the table saw anyway

@whirly @meso I think you're making a good choice lol for everyone

@Tony @whirly arent nail guns activated when you press it against something or is that just the prop in that penn and teller magic video

@meso @whirly they are, unless you tape the guard back (which he liked to do to "make it faster")

@meso @whirly they are pretty fun, we used to set up targets on jobsites and see who could aim best. You can get one to stick in sheet rock from 5-10 meters away lol

@whirly @Tony @meso Makita is really good, but I have a Bosch cicular saw and I can't find anything to complain about it even if I try, so it's really a matter of personal preference at that point.

@nerthos @Tony @meso i was thinking milwaukee over bosch.. but i went to buy a milkwaukee drill bit at lowes last week and they literally didnt sell any milwaukee anything. i dont like our home depot here.
now ive been looking at kits and comparing what comes in them and they all got something i dont care about.. so idk. idk what to buy. too many options

@whirly @Tony look if there's a makerspace near you, they can teach you how to properly use power tools and such

don't fuck with the table saw, there's a lot that goes into it and you're not ready for it

@shibao @whirly meso popped in and I think we settled on a circular saw lol.

Thank christ. He wanted to put it in the kitchen...

@whirly @Tony easiest way to cut plywood is to buy a couple of those large purple insulation sheets, and then put your plywood on top of it and just use a circular saw with it

@Tony @whirly yeahhh table saw should NOT be the first power tool you use lmao

@shibao @Tony @whirly seconded for don't fuck with table saws. We invented those before we invented silly concepts like, "safety"

@shibao @whirly I honestly don't really use them and I'm literally in construction.

They bind too much. It's easier just to use a circular saw. The last time I cut a bunch of sheathing with a table saw, we quit after like 4 sheets kept getting stuck and just switched to the method you just described.

I guess for like wood working or precise work it would be nice, but even the summer i built decks I didn't really find table saws useful.

@pwm @Tony @whirly i've ripped large boards on them, they come in handy some times. i had someone tell me that they're somehow safer than like those radial arm saws and i'm not sure about that but i've never used a radial arm one

@Tony @whirly i heard of someone who lived in an apartment and would just put a tarp down and reload in his living room

@shibao @whirly @Tony Pretty good advice, even the "small" ones are 900W+ and go through hardwood like it's nothing. They also have a habit of shooting bits of wood at ballistic speeds if the work area is not cleared in between cuts.

I remember a guy's story about fucking with a bench table saw while doing an apprenticeship and shooting a 2x1" piece across the workshop hard enough that it dislodged a brick from the wall, missing the head of one of the workers by centimeters.

The right to be retarded with power tools is earned through practice and experience (t. guy that climbed on a dry tree to cut off branches with his circular saw because the chainsaw was too slow on it, don't follow my example)

@shibao @Tony @whirly my dad has a pretty complete woodshop, I've used the table saw but he read me the fucken riot act the first time. He was not about to drive me to the hospital.

@shibao @Tony @whirly it's your neighbor isn't it
You two reload in his living room, dontcha

@Tony @shibao listen, apartment people do what they gotta do
and idk what im doing

@whirly @shibao its gonna make a giant mess.

THOUGH, i do hope you keep me posted. I'm invested in how this goes now.

@pwm @Tony @whirly we cleaned guns together does that count

@shibao @Tony @whirly >look if there's a makerspace near you, they can teach you how to properly use power tools and such
kek

@Tony I will. I think im going to postpone my project until Black Friday or something because I thiiiiiink I want to buy one of those big DeWalt tool kits. I want the saw, the drill, and the sander.
If you get them separately it’s basically the price of a bigger tool kit minus some of the weird tools I don’t need and extra batteries? I’m not really sure if it’s worth waiting tbh.
I wasn’t expecting to be so invested in the tools.

@whirly Just wait, tools are a ton of fun.

I'm a milwaukee guy myself. I love the big toolkit sales, you get a WAY better deal. Extra batteries are nice and once you pick a brand all the batteries are interchangeable. Arguably batters are the most expensive part.

@whirly I just got this bad boy. It’s a vacuum the size of a toolbox but it sucks like you wouldn’t believe. It can do dry and wet.

@whirly @Tony If you've never used a saw, don't start with a table saw. I'd say start with a hand saw honestly if you like your fingers.

@Tony @whirly yoooo I've heard really good things about that one

@shibao @whirly I needed it for like small dust piles when I do sheetrock repair and I didn't want to carry around a full sized shop vac.

I had one of those "bucket vacs" (the one that clips on top of a 5 gallon bucket) but the cord made it a pain.

Anyway, its pretty strong so I'm happy. Plus it's a small and super portable.

@Tony I was leaning towards Milwaukee originally, once I realized I probably wasn’t going to find the kind of kit I wanted with Makita, but I didn’t want to mix and match m12 and m18. Not mixed in the kit, but for buying extras that aren’t in it? I gotta look back into it.
DeWalts yellow is uglyy.

They need a Build Your Own Kit option fr.

@Tony @whirly Tony really now your fucking a vacuum with no lube? This is bad u need to go to never goon camp and stay there until your celebate

@thatguyoverthere @Tony @whirly I have a Dremel it works perfect for what I would need it for

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly safer than an angle grinder

@Tony @whirly if it's a single project I'd probably just ask the guys at home Depot to do it for you or possible rent a saw given the fact he doesn't know what saw to buy they'd be able to help him the best and having them do it makes for 0% margin of mismeasurements as long as he gets the dimensions he needs right

@whirly Unfortunately they don't do a "build your own" lol its part of the gimmick. Dewault is good as far as quality, so is Makita. Like i said i personally use Milwaukee - and i totally get it. Don't want to "mix and match" haha.

@thatguyoverthere @Tony @whirly and it's perfect for a wide multitude of different applications I don't need it for much more than hobbies and small home repairs. And it's rechargeable cordless so it's perfect reminds me I need to recharge it it's been about 6 months

@Tony @whirly i think im also a milwaulkee but i have no money so i dont really have many tools

@shibao @whirly yah, they are a pain in the ass expensive. I've found a local guy who does tool reselling. He gets overflow tools and sells milwaukee, brand new at 40-60% off lol.

Also, i check around local pawn shops because people bring in stuff all the time.

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony no I need to learn

@whirly @Tony I understand the sentiment but I knew some people who bought a $750 table saw they never used and just got water damaged and ruined in the box it sounds like a good idea but if u dont have an actual need just get a book about kt

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly horrible take

@meso @Tony @whirly I've known people who've bought heavy expensive equipment just to never use it. Even commercial companies rent their equipment it makes sense unless your going to actively use it

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly skill issue
a saw to cut wood is not a heavy expensive equipment

@meso @Tony @whirly 250-750 is expensive and takes up too much space unless your talking about buying from harbor freight and then we have nothing more to say that's like telling someone to buy insulin from temu

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly buy a saw make a table and never hesitate about it. you dont need to rent anything or go to a makerspace to learn how to push a button on a power tool. if someone doesnt know how to cut a table thats probably because they dont know much in general

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly harbor freight tools are fine
i say this as someone whos never been to harbor freight but i really like this brand in our equivalent big tool store
i trust this brand with my life

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly if i didnt already have all sorts of battery-powered bosch tools (for work) id get a corded one of these

@meso @whirly @Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein Harbor freight has good tools. They're cheap and actually decent. Better than Ryobi brand

@Tony @whirly @Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein Ryobi and Craftsman seem like they suck dick

@meso @Tony @whirly okay that's straight up retarded it takes extensive math andeasurong and if you don't even know what kind of saw u should buy, your not at the level of building a custom table. You've either been huffing duater or your setting him up for failure. What kind of tacos and glue are u using? Are you making interlocking mitter or dove tail joints? You need a special die cast for that your now reaching eris level of mediocrity on convo and it shows mdr

@Tony @Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @whirly i like my bosch. if you can buy bosch or milwaukee, do it

@Tony @meso @whirly just cut the costs all the way and get a $1 table saw from temu nothing wrong with that

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly it literally does not matter. You can grab a bunch of 2x4s and make yourself a table. It does not matter what tacos and glue you're using (wood glue, obviously, nigga), doesn't matter what joints you are making (you can screw it together, you can buy a chisel), you do not need a special die cast for anything

@meso @Tony @whirly if he doesn't know what saw to buy it's not even an argument to say "it's easy just "a b & c" and no depending on the reason the tables made it needs different finishes, different grades of wood, glues, joints, either you don't know what your saying or your just trolling this is a very in depth concept not just "do whatever and make it work"

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly this is not a very in depth concept and if you think it is you suck at this/never really dabbled in this as i correctly assumed when i saw you recommending reading a book about something that you learn by doing it and that books will tell you next to nothing about (basically a redditor reply)
you sound like a lot of the limited people i know, they always deem crafts they don't understand completely as "Uhh, it's an incredibly nuanced and indepth subject you know, you can't just do something like that"

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly like what are you on about, grades of wood matter in construction mostly. some of it is pressure treated lumber and has different grading depending on what use it's for (direct soil/water contact, indirect, none, etc)

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @meso hold up now, my math is ok. i did need advice on the saw.
i dont needa know all the fancy names.
i have a drawing. i have a plan. i can measure. i can cut. i can nail. bam, table.

i don't think asking for advice on the type of saw to buy from someone more experienced means i can't complete my project.

we'll see.

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly if someone wants to know what saw to buy, you help them learn what saw to buy. Or just avoid being a redditor and keep your dream-killing to yourself.
if I was looking into how to make a table and some faggot on the internet told me "oh you dont even know what saw to buy!" id be like Yes, Tell me then.

@whirly @Tony @meso u say that till u get the measurements wrong. If your using the table with a torch and u use the wrong stain congratulations u just signed your lungs with toxic vapors. I'm not denying u can't do anything I'm just saying it takes strategic project management to do correctly I've seen way too many people do exactly what mesos saying and come up with a useless end result. U just have to know what your doing if your making a table for anything more than just throwing it away when your done you may do seamless joints on the table top and opt for seamless nails on dove tails on the legs. It with it be a single center leg with multiple feet? U get what I'm saying and u need to know the right nails olif u use super sharp nails it'll split the wood did u know that? Even better if you send the main with the grain it'll also split the wood. Im not saying it's rocket science it's just a labour of love it's not just slap some glue and your done

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly if you get the measurements wrong you cut again

@meso @Tony @whirly u cant recut something u undercut

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly it does not take strategic project management to be careful with what coating you use on a table intended for things

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly you can grab another piece of wood and cut that. ive undercut far more impactful things and still managed to make things work in the end. the difference between people with a retarded fearful mindset and the people who just do things is that the latter have jobs and are good at their crafts

@meso @Tony @whirly depends on the things. If your doing something wet on it and you don't weather and stain it correctly it'll warp rapidly but your right just grab some wood off the ground and go to town kiddo

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly ive been told all sorts of shit about cars, about programming, about construction, about electricity, about plumbing, about woodworking, about everything really, and my conclusion from all of it is that i would not be so good at those things if i listened to things like that

@meso @Tony @whirly I'm only as good at the things I'm good at because I was humble enough to look before I leapt

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly humbleness is for people who live their whole lives afraid. You only live once, might as well do anything you want

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly nobody's been at their deathbed going "oh im so glad i didnt make that table i always wanted, how would i have recovered from having to google how to make a mortise and tenon joint"

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @meso hey, i might fuck up my measurements. i might make it ugly. i can buy more materials and try again until im satisfied.
i do usually expect perfect my first time around, because that's the result I want and i try to plan carefully for it, but it's not the end of the world if I make something shit. i can give it another go. ill have the tools

but for real, i think this is a reasonable project to learn how to use some tools and get making. i get your points of caution but if i fuck up somewhere, i learn, eat the cost, try not to make the same mistake again

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly i'm good at the things im good at because despite my fear of not being humble and leaping into something responsible, i leapt anyway. i leapt and got pretty good at things that seemed completely out of my range. i disassembled my entire engine and put it back together and i'll always look down upon anyone who tells you not to

@meso @Tony @whirly I have seen a lot of people lose their shit cause they needed something and they threw all their money into a woodchiper but that's dunning Krueger for you. He should do what your saying not knowing anything about anything like a bull in a china shop is the most retarded thing you could learn absolutely nothing of value from because your too stupid to know what u did wrong

@whirly @Tony @meso they actually have a saying in wood working for this exact issue, measure twice, cut once. Up to you maybe you have unlimited funds if that's the case go crazy building materials are insanely costly rn

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly you might be too stupid to know what you did wrong, but whirly isn't. this ain't rocket science or some unestablished field in the 1700s. the world's greatest minds didn't know what they did wrong, whether it's Einstein's theories having a massive gaping hole in them or pioneers not knowing what physical phenomena were caused by yet. But they still leapt in, and they did shit with no training, no strategic planning tactical whatever, they did it with brains and love for what they do. It doesn't matter if it's woodworking or figuring out physics. You can just do it.

@meso @Tony @whirly I've never met a journey Man that "just picked up a hammer and did it" they all learned from people who knew what they were talking about but sure I'm just an idiot why not u can stay at the peak of stupidity and just tell everyone else they're dumb

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly i mean, as someone who's done the things you're saying are scary and impossible and only dumb people would say they're doable, i think you're the dunning kruger one
perhaps, picrel

@meso @Tony @whirly I've never said they're "scary or impossible" those are your words. I said it takes tact and planning I'm sadly not as useless of a nigger who can just waste his time doing unproductive shit without a good result. I understand my time is worth gold I don't just stick my hand up my ass to see if something comes from it

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly my money is worth gold, if i dont do something i dont have the money for it. my job eats up a lot of my energy but id build me a little house in the backyard if i had the money for it right now, i can do it with the energy i have left

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly anyway, building yearning intermission over
you could use a little Alanis Morissette

@meso @Tony @whirly ah I remember the times when I was a low paid schlub I see your problem. We've all been teens it's cool some day you'll make $100,000 a year like me and you won't have to beat yourself over the head about not knowing stuff. It comes with experience but you won't get there just picking up a hammer and hitting things you'll have to get the right hammer and learn how to use it first

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @meso im taking this as talking to a normal guy about a hobby project but your name is jelqberg maybe i should give up lol
i dont have unlimited funds, im a college student.
im inexperienced not stupid? maybe a little stupid, but there's a lot of professionals dumber than the nails they use. tony was literally just talking about these guys. lol you dont gain experience from having people do it for you.
you seem hell bent on me not caring about what i produce. why? where did i give this impression? i do care. i'm going to look more into things. i might even.............. ask more questions ... omg.. but its cool dude.

@meso @Tony @whirly a little music never hurt anyone

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly >and you won't have to beat yourself over the head about not knowing stuff.
and yet I'm actually doing stuff and you're the one telling people to be afraid of what they want to learn. i've seen you express the same sentiment in the past, dont remember about what, down to the "time is gold" thing and it's not good to project weight and insecurities you have about your own abilities on others. not that it'll affect whirly or me, but it might affect someone with less experience and knowledge of what the true motivations of people like you are

@whirly @Tony @meso sadly u weren't really a part of this argument it was me and meso making assumptions about u and me making assumptions about mesos projection of your aptitude. Im sure your a smart guy just look up some YouTube videos about it and you'll realize it's a work of 1000 strokes. Getting the right sanding paper, nails glue, joint bits, chisels, paint or coating the right wood for the right job it's a great way to spend your time but there's no point in buying supplies just to make something that doesn't work. I've been a project manager of some insane shit with some insane budgets and 1 wrong move and your account flatlines and the benefactors revoke their capital. Planning is key to success

@meso @Tony @whirly ever seen someone ruin their daily driver assuming they're enough of a mechanic to just replace their water pump with a screw driver? I have and it was sad he got evicted because he couldn't make it to work any more. The world is easy to navigate but u have to be humble enough to realize you don't know what your doing only then can you do it right. Changing a tire is easy I'd tell anyone to do that I did it in the flag staff winter only knowing the location of the jack and the tire nothing else I figured it out. But when your dealing with things of value you should err on the side of caution I'm not insecure about anything I just know my limitations. Im astounding at somethings and shit at others that's being an adult realizing your strengths and shortcoming and there's nothing wrong with that I won't let u shame me frivolously because I'm humble enough to accept I can't do everything out there

@meso @Tony @whirly and my time is worth gold I make 80-200 an hour when I attribute myself I just lose interest easily

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly ive changed my head gasket and rod bearings, which is as sensitive as car work goes, car runs fine

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly if you havent done crafts as a kid and have gasoline in your blood maybe cutting wood and fixing cars is out of your reach but some of us have instincts about those things

@meso @Tony @whirly maybe you have a mechanical aptitude. That's not common place and most people doing that would just ruin their cars. That said in that situation you would be the one setting them up for failure so you'd be giving the bad advice

@meso @Tony @whirly it's difficult for me to take that statement serious when your admiring your too broke to do all the stuff you claim u can do and your slaving at a job. Some people mask their insecurities with overconfidence if you were really that skilled money wouldn't be a problem I can assure you

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly im only starting out in a foreign country with a high tax rate and some bad financial decisions in the past. Not really slaving away either I drive a car all day and repair things at my own discretion, it's very freeing and if you wanna talk about money I earn way more than people usually do for this sorta work

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly but either way. when i tell someone about fixing cars i don't set them up for failure. I won't tell them to go ahead with it if I don't think they can do it. Failure with cars is different, I would have been afraid to work on my work car 3 years ago, but just a month ago I changed my brakes and oil on it, i could do some more cuz its leaking oil

@meso @Tony @whirly I avoid bad financial decisions by...
Drum roll...
Planning just like I've said this entire time. I have now and never have had any debt and I raised 6 kids to adulthood. Jumping head first into anything without planning is dumb and I stand vindicated

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @whirly i didnt do the bad financial decisions

@Jelqberg_Mcjelqstein @Tony @meso SIX KIDS????

@whirly @Tony @meso six indeed. Now I take care of 2 fur babies I speak from experience and I give the same advice I gave my kids, plan and prepare that's the key to success experience is a second hand benefit to working with your hands though beneficial it's not difficult if you already know what your going to do

@meso @Tony @whirly come on Mr "just do it" that's a feminine cop out u let yourself get backed into that corner don't go blaming someone else for your short comings now