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blobcatpuffyohhh yes open source communism we can build our own paneleki at home
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i still say when chip manufacturing finally gets broken open the world will become unrecognizable in a fortnight.

the indicators say tech advanced by public participation more than anything. the benefits of most of what we do is just that they indirectly increased participation from "these 3 elite guys only" to "some 10,000 engineers"

blobcatphoto but quinn you can't just print a silicon chip it doe
neocat_gun don't tell me that crap, history is full of corpses of things we could never do
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@icedquinn making decently advanced chips slowly seems doable diy
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@snacks everything is impossible. then it happens very fast.
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@icedquinn possibly even current leading edge nodes if you're willing to spend a lot of time per chip
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@icedquinn you'll just have to pattern every layer a bunch of time after figurimg out how to design masks for multipatterning to get around diffraction and your exposures are gonna be slow and your exposure area small...
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@icedquinn or use electron beams for patterning, which is also just too slow for big prodiction but has basically always been in use for prototypes
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@icedquinn i don't think shitting out nanometer class chips at industrial scale is ever gonna happen in a shed. Mass production just requires too much investment.
And a high power xray laser, don't forget that one
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@snacks i think i once asked if we could just laser cut the dies and someone said yes but it would be heinously slow.

my reasoning was we can make gimbals more precise by trading off more servos and space, so we should be able to make a large but precise machine, but this doesn't include the doping.

considering we have retrosynthesis models i don't think its impossible to reverse engineer the doping but its not free and people who would spend money on this are greatly benefittied by the global TMSC monopoly
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@icedquinn electron beams are way better if you wanna go that route
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@icedquinn it's much easier to get those high powered and they focus mich finer than any sane wavelength of light
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@snacks i'm not a hardware blob cirno_shrug that's someone else's department. i'm kind of a one trick these days, i can tell you theoretical models of a digital brain but if you hand me a differential equation i'm throwing it in the recycling
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@icedquinn also, idk what you think the issue with doping is
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@icedquinn you can literally just buy the chemicals they use. There's multiple people on yt who make chips, usually they stop at single transistors tho
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@snacks the wafers are made of some secret shit. that was one of the big blockers people were telling me about.

i think that problem is surmountable with compute. we have FEA sims, retrosynth networks, etc, just a matter of mining papers and triangulating something synthesizable.
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@icedquinn not to my knowledge. You can't really grow a an ultrapure monocrystalline ingot at home but they just sell them on ebay 🤷
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@snacks comfystoner definitely not a chemist. i just do brains these days.
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