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sat chit ananda
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@shmibs i actually had the same thought as this guy albeit in different words when i was in middle school. also, "what is being anyway" is a bad take. consciousness is self evident, and it is the answer to why is there something instead of nothing.
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@shmibs there can be an outside the universe when you stop conflating the manifest with the real
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@Moon @shmibs humans are an imperfect form of consciousness yes
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@shmibs @Moon OP is about Consciousness ie the divine mind
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@shmibs even if you do conflate the real with the manifest, the universe, beginning as it did at a point, would need an impetus, a catalyst triggering an inherent tendency to expand and differentiate, the universal substrate itself cannot meaningfully or adequately explain the current presence of the universe, it being a perishable thing.
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@shmibs also i'm not a platonist
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@Moon @shmibs not sure what you guys are talking about
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@shmibs "and anything not within the universe as a system by definition cannot effect it" see how readily you preclude the existence of god
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@shmibs it's not that simple, see kaballah and indian cosmology
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