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Camera wanted to get exposure high enough that the sky is blue again lmao
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Still a bit blurry because 1/20s is hard to shoot by hand
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@snacks old picture, taken before i had the fancy mirrorless camera

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@mia @snacks >fancy mirrorless camera
smh i blame you for inspiring me to get a a7c2 meowcamera
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@mia my hand isnt steady enough for the second or so exposure thatd need, also my pic is about what you saw with the naked eye.
Heres what automatic exposure was doing
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@cell @mia thats already 3200 and noisy tho
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@cell @snacks (the “IS” means optical image stabilization though so yea…)

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@mia @cell seems your shot was way brighter. Mine is f/2.4 3200 iso and over a second
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@snacks @cell sensor might just have more dynamic range

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@cell @mia @snacks also have you considered photostacking instead. You'll have to crop quite a bit if handheld but it should help
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@mia @cell thats 6 stops or so difference?
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@RedTechEngineer @mia @snacks you get it!
t. had to take a photo of dogs moving about at night without flash
if i didn't crank up the ISO to 51200 it would have been unusable
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@cell @mia @snacks high noise amplification sucks, but if it's the lesser evil, you shouldnt avoid it.
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@mia @cell canon eos 700d has less dynamic range than my sony a6000 apparently
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@snacks @cell then if you were shooting raw you should be able to get at least similar results

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@cell @mia @snacks (besides, you could always denoise and quarter the resolution with a quality interpolator 😉)
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@RedTechEngineer @cell @snacks i wish i could turn off the high ISO noise reduction in video mode on my a7c. there are much better filters available than what the camera can do, with motion-guided detail restoration using adjacent frames

also grain is good and only chroma noise looks really bad. that’s easy to fix in XYB or Lab colorspace with minimal perceptible loss of detail

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@mia @cell i can make it purple. No idea what i'm doing but contrast and sigmoid also make the noise way worse
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@mia @snacks @cell for video I like the iphone 16 pro.

Working from prores log is really nice and really hard to beat at that price point.

Though the EOS R5 C is very tempting (at over double the price)
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@snacks @cell you should try using rawtherapee for processing. try adjusting exposure or using its dynamic range compression. its chroma denoiser isn’t that great though; you can probably get a better result with gmic, e.g. simple bilateral smoothing in Lab colorspace (ab channels only)

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@mia @cell all the colors get screwed up with contrast and im just trying to fix that
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@RedTechEngineer @snacks @cell mhm 10-bit dynamic range for video recording is very nice. the a7c won’t do that (it does support s-log though), but the a7c2 does

that said the low light performance of its sensor is a lot better than what a smartphone can hope to achieve

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@mia @cell i still think my scene was darker
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@snacks @cell this is with +1.5 EV on the exposure slider

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@snacks @cell and this is about the limit of what i can get out of that raw without further editing

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@mia @snacks @cell oh absolutely.
You can only get so big of a sensor on those things.
You can compensate by longer exposures (lower frame rate) and pixel binning, but even going from 4k120 to 1k24 still won't beat a modern crop sensor with an appropriate lens.
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@RedTechEngineer @snacks @cell optical image stabilization (in-body + lens assembly) is also a lot better especially with high focal lengths

(210mm handheld, APS-C cropping disabled for demonstration)

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@RedTechEngineer @snacks @cell phone gimbal systems aren’t very expensive but they do have their drawbacks

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