Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

@KitsuneofInari > that code will be unmaintainable
we'll have to see how it goes, ladybird seems to be doing well, and there's a lot of projects that use LLMs already and a number have had issues (seems small, like the vim stuff), but for the rest, it doesn't seem as catastrophic, if at all.

@sun @KitsuneofInari brb being creative with other humans *copy-pastes some code from stack overflow*

@pettanko @KitsuneofInari @sun every bug: ask them how much thought they put into it

@KitsuneofInari krita isn't big enough for cleaning up behind idiots who did shit years ago becomes a hard (not in as difficult, but as in "holy shit, it's so much work to do") enough problem to justifiy using LLMs.

@KitsuneofInari LLMs are good for automating tedious things you already understand, and for learning assistance. Not just dumping in code and letting it do whatever without checking it
However that "burns up the planet and destroys the water" is total nonsense

@Arkana @KitsuneofInari Always amazed at the people who don't understand the planetary water cycle, how lots of the world isn't bothered by water shortages (for the US, everyone one to two states west of the Mississippi), and here are fully on board with the needless except for control half century old energy poverty policy of our ruling trash.

A lot of people feel threatened by LLM "AI," and environmentalist virtue signaling is an obvious way to enhance that with certain people. On the other hand, no one like him wants to deal with the AI slop he decries, and maintainers of big code bases are we hear with credibility getting or are afraid of getting crushed with "AI" generated bug reports.

Some may also fear legit use of "AI" on the C/C++ code bases will find lots and lots of issues. ESR is right now using one to find everything from bad stuff to undefined behavior best stamped out if you have the time.

@ThatWouldBeTelling @Arkana @KitsuneofInari
I'm always amazed at the people who don't understand the difference between seawater and fresh water.

Always amazed at the people who don't understand that most of fresh water directly falls down into the oceans and only part of it on land.

Yeah there are many legitimate issues with AI code, but water isn't really one of them. I can guarantee everybody repeating that claim hasn't given it an ounce of actual thought as to how AI (and even datacenters) are causing any significant environmental damage over anything else we're doing computer related

@Arkana @KitsuneofInari @ThatWouldBeTelling
>but water isn't really one of them
It's a correct argument, but it's also a correct argument about silicon chips production in general.
Aside fresh water being ultra purified for silicon production. They also take into account the fresh water used for energy consumption/generation, which is 60~80% of that amount.
So in reality the argument falls under waste energy consumption, which all the JS/proprietary slopware and all the miniaturization nullification that software bloat caused etc... are categorized in.

@mangeurdenuage @Arkana @KitsuneofInari

"Aside fresh water being ultra purified for silicon production."

Although I hear this isn't such a big thing anymore, especially for leading edge fabs. They recycle as much as they can, which is getting to be the vast majority by now. Otherwise TSMC probably wouldn't have picked Arizona to expand into the US, or Intel for its newest serious fabs (Ohio is iffy unless and until it can generate enough demand for its latest nodes and the money to build out shells).

It's historically been a big thing, where a change in the fresh water was often cited as one way yields can suddenly go to hell. So with recycling, you're paying very close attention to every aspect of the water, what you put in it, how you take it out as needed, etc.

"They also take into account the fresh water used for energy consumption/generation"

Pretty sure that water is not "harmed" to any significant extent, it's just warmed up. It'll change the local flora and fauna, which from my family's perspective in the middle of the country might just mean different types of tasty fish to catch.

And it's often not fresh water, see for example the Russian VVER PWR at Bushehr in Iran that's been in the news.

I guarantee it's sitting right on the Persian Gulf to dump its waste heat. Of course you can do this stupidly as Fukushima Daiichi didn't have a high enough tsunami wall, and put too much electrical stuff in basements (Japan's culture is incompatible with safe use of anything nuclear).

For datacenters there's various ways to cool them, evaporative chillers can be cheap to operate but are hardly the only method. And again, not really a big deal where there's plenty of fresh water to go around.

@ThatWouldBeTelling @Arkana @KitsuneofInari
>Pretty sure that water is not "harmed"
Never said anything about being harmed.
I'm saying there's a limit amount of it based on the rainfalls, that's mainly an issue based on the location imo.

But as a side note, there's a reason why in France even tho they encourage people to harvest water they try to avoid a large amount of people doing all a once so as if half the population would do it all of a sudden a large amount of water would be missing to flow in the rivers compared to a progressive part of the population doing so.
I doubt it would happen with nuclear powerplants.

>and put too much electrical stuff in basements
Well they were in violation of rule for their backup generator who was at sea level instead of being a few meters up.
It's sad how all that disaster could have been avoided just with that.

>not really a big deal where there's plenty of fresh water to go around.
When there's enough. Depending on the context.

@mischievoustomato @KitsuneofInari or it might end up like windows 11 that takes a whole second to render the fucking right click context menu lmao

@shitpisscum @KitsuneofInari it can go either side, but i think engineers that know what they do will simply surpass those that are just "human only", imo

i've been mostly using LLMs for refactoring code based on existing code, i don't live within 5000 miles of a datacenter so them burning up the water is of no concern to me, tho if it actively damages some place like california or india then i will have to make more use of LLMs.

Nothing can damage India more than Indians.

@KitsuneofInari this is so good

quaint sentiment but in a few years you won't even be able to tell who and what's human vs machine online