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i wonder if i will ever learn to love a fancy editor like emacs or neovim
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@lizzy
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@lizzy
I tried neovim but didn't continue
Kinda sucks when you use stable distros and are used to running prehistoric software while the extension interfaces get updated daily it seems
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@lizzy what if instead of neovim you got used to regular vim first and then tried neovim and got annoyed because they changed a bunch of things to the worse for no good reason

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@kimapr i don't really see what advantage vim would give me over micro tho, since both are simple text editors with some scripting support
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I used Kate for the longest time ever. If you are comfortable with it and can write stuff quickly with it, why change

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@eris @lizzy
VI mode or the original Keybindings?
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@eris @dagda because some parts about it suck (some features are slow or broken)

and a lot of ppl these days use LSPs, micro has an lsp plugin but its kinda slow and suboptimal
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@lizzy hm, i had the impression that vim was more powerful than micro but idk if that’s true because i don’t really know micro.

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why'd i force myself to use vim keybinds on something that's not vim

CC: @lizzy@social.vlhl.dev
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@lizzy micro seems to follow the traditional paradigm of text editing that’s used by all(?) text editors that aren’t “vim or emacs or sussy vim clone” and is near-unusable without a mouse. going to micro from vim feels like going to Windows or KDE Plasma after i3wm to me

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@kimapr yea but that's why i use micro, I haven't been able to get used to any other kind of editing
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vim is more powerful in the sense that vimscript is a complete (ish) programming language . but vimscript is ass so do with that what u will

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@lizzy@social.vlhl.dev quite frankly unless you have a good reason to learn vim or emacs don't bother
they can be very efficient once you figured it all out, but then you'll have locked yourself with that editor, and every other editor will feel weird

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@rose @lizzy it really is just like the sussy window manglers lol

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@fiore @lizzy i was talking about built-in editing features. i am too stupid to script my editor

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@nu that does seem quite similar to micro or nano
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@fiore @lizzy @kimapr it’s weird; i like vim-like input modes in qutebrowser but i don’t vibe with vim as an editor at all. the advantage of vim’s ergonomic design mostly disappears when you have a custom keyboard with a thumb cluster and you’re constantly using chords and combos anyway.

i use kwrite, kdevelop and rarely kate, which all use the same editor component but are designed for different tasks, and kdevelop’s code completion and background analysis for c/c++ and python is also better and way faster than anything i’ve seen for (n)vim and emacs

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@lizzy but it has the Microsoft mark of reliability and trust so it must be better frfr
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i kinda want to go back to something more akin to nano. i miss wysiwyg, modal editing is a meme

CC: @lizzy@social.vlhl.dev
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yes but arent u specifically trying to move away from micro ? am i getting this wrong ?

also , since it already uses lua , nvim can be neat since u dont have to leatn anything new ^^

CC: @kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net
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@fiore @kimapr im unsure/ambivalent if i want to move away from micro. i haven't scripted micro much tbh, but I've done a ton of stuff besides it in lua, it's my favorite scripting language
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fair enough , custom kb w clusters isnt smth i usually have on my mind when i suggest an editor to someone on the internet because me myself i dont have those , but yea i see the point ^^

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@fiore @mia @kimapr i'll probably have gf build a custom keyboard for me soon mostly bcs my current one sucks with long nails
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oh fair enough . well hmu if u ever need smth ^^ nvim is nice and imo a good way to get into vim in general . look up kickstart.nvim if u want a nice comprehensive initial config to start from , and good luck ^^

CC: @kimapr@ublog.kimapr.net
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ive thought this before, its what moved me to emacs at one point but that editor's bindings are so hopelessly complex its impossible to do without god mode

idk i just want something simple

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