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Paulajak@boymoder.biz
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Lucy [hiatus era] 𒌋𒁯
lucy
@Paulajak @snacks i feel indifferent about them. what i hate is a language enforcing to use a specific coding style.
like, if an if (that) { do } fits in a single line, why tf would i use multiple lines and indentation? it makes code less readible in some cases. i don't want a language to enforce style obsessions
like, if an if (that) { do } fits in a single line, why tf would i use multiple lines and indentation? it makes code less readible in some cases. i don't want a language to enforce style obsessions
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@lucy @Paulajak @snacks @scathach Perl is honestly the best for web imo. Sure, some niche applications will want something like Elixir maybe or Go, but for 99% of web applications, Perl with Mojolicious is insanely capable, fast to iterate on and deploy (especially with AI pair programming), and generally pretty robust.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@scathach @Paulajak @lucy @snacks It's perfectly fine for most projects as stated, and gets MVPs up in no time. The vast majority of web applications do not require more than that, and the rapid iteration time is the selling point.
It's something it took me until my 30s to really get, but far too many people when they're young programmers try to over-engineer everything and I speak from great experience, it's a massive mistake. Save that energy for where it's actually needed.
It's something it took me until my 30s to really get, but far too many people when they're young programmers try to over-engineer everything and I speak from great experience, it's a massive mistake. Save that energy for where it's actually needed.
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blood eagle enjoyer 
scathach@stereophonic.space
@arcana @Paulajak @lucy @snacks Common Lisp lets you iterate much faster, has better performance on account of being natively compiled, has better type safety, and has a more expressive object system that you can grow into as-needed
The only thing Perl does better than CL is text munging – which I can't lie it's *very* good at
The only thing Perl does better than CL is text munging – which I can't lie it's *very* good at
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blood eagle enjoyer
scathach@stereophonic.space
@arcana @Paulajak @lucy @snacks COBOL processes trillions of USD but that doesn't mean it's a good language for building anything in
Perl has its strong points and you *can* do basically anything with it but that isn't the same as it being a good fit for those things. Better than JS and PHP but that's a dismally low bar
Perl has its strong points and you *can* do basically anything with it but that isn't the same as it being a good fit for those things. Better than JS and PHP but that's a dismally low bar
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@scathach @Paulajak @lucy @snacks A lot of web applications process quite a lot of text. That application I mentioned had to process million line multi delimiter CSVs every day so the text processing made it top class. I'm not denying CL can be very good, and PG certainly speaks very favourably of it.
I think there could be other comparisons in favour of Perl, and vice versa depending on the use case, but if you get a working site up in 6 hours for an SME, then it does the job imo
I think there could be other comparisons in favour of Perl, and vice versa depending on the use case, but if you get a working site up in 6 hours for an SME, then it does the job imo
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@scathach @Paulajak @lucy @snacks I think this could be a genuine debate for a long time, but ultimately I think that would be pointless. Use what you think is best for the task and what achieves the goals you're aiming for.
I've been on both ends of the spectrum and just speak from my experience with that. I wasted far too many years of my life trying to be a perfectionist.
I've been on both ends of the spectrum and just speak from my experience with that. I wasted far too many years of my life trying to be a perfectionist.
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@scathach @Paulajak @lucy @snacks Oh that was separate to the app itself, it was a daily cronjob that connected to an FTP server where it gathered the data and then parsed it into a Postgres Database for the actual app to use.
It did a lot of text munging too, but the CSV aspect was honestly very simple, though there were a lot of things that needed to be escaped, checked for, etc.
It did a lot of text munging too, but the CSV aspect was honestly very simple, though there were a lot of things that needed to be escaped, checked for, etc.
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