via Greenpeace:

@HI_Greens

This is possibly the dumbest post on all of mastodon.

Wind turbines are not renewable and
since they don't grow on trees but are in fact manufactured through the use of oil, steel, concrete, and other minerals and since the blades are gigantic heaps of glasfiber plastics.

They actually consume more energy than they deliver before they break down.

Thanks to International Oligarchs pushing for "green energy" we now use 50% more coal oil and gas to rebuild and maintain this hoax.

@HI_Greens

So not only are the wind turbines a total scam. As in every Nation who invested in them are failing on that part.

It is also idiotic to think that war is only a result of people fighting over Natural resources.

Even if there were no oil in the world there would still be wars. War between different religions. Different Races. Different Nations. And yes, war over Natural resources. Such as Gold, Silver, Copper, and other minerals or why not a war for fresh water?

What if we used natural fibers for them? I bet we could build them using some type of cellulose compound especially for smaller ones. Also the large scale turbines seem silly. The smaller localized ones are more practical and can be amplified by the building terrain which already creates drafts and adjusts air currents. We have wind catching towers already in hot climates. They could add turbines in here with low resistance and use the power for exhaust fans amplifying the draft cooling effect.

Because natural fibers do not require processing in a factory, will not use chemical products nor water.

There is no magic solution to anything, specially when people do not comprehend engineering at scale.

The image below is exemplificative of the normie way of thinking:

I am under no illusion that they won’t require normal manufacturing inputs. My point is it eliminates some of the current problems with these. Make something that can compost even if it takes 50 years. Fiberglass will never compost.

You're missing the point, you need to account for the impact caused by the manufacturing too, materials need to be sourced, transported, etc.

You can't just make a rosy picture in your head of a working solution.

Maybe I’m missing the point, but I think we’re just talking past each other. I like wind energy for supplemental local use. It’s very good for some simple things. Wind farms are bad.

You like the aesthetics, I do not like the engineering side of it nor its impact on the environment.

A potato is also great to turn on a small light-bulb and makes the delights of kindergarten children.

@PalePimp @HI_Greens @EvolLove @BowsacNoodle he didn’t even say any of this, you’re just regurgitating your own talking points on this topic

It is you who don't understand @EvolLove, they are saving the planet, one scam from the elites (who never lie to us) at a time.

The best is when they save the planet throwing paint at works of art in museums, that saves the planet the most.

Turbine blade graveyards suck ass, however.

THEY'RE FIBERGLASS FORMS, CAN'T WE USE THESE FUCKIN THINGS FOR ANYTHING AT ALL?

Since it has become such a problem and costly, there's already R&D. Same goes for PV panels and lithium batteries, which were previously considered strictly discardable.

It's fair to be sceptical, but current number aren't bad. Even if you take the estimates as optimistic and divide them by a factor of 10, objectively it's beneficial. We will hit other problems along the way, large infrastructure deployment over current that's not even properly maintained, but it's kind of in the works.

WERE LITHIUM CELLS SUCH A PAIN TO RECYCLE? THEY'RE LIKE A JELLY ROLL OF TWO METAL FOILS AND A PLASTIC FOIL BETWEEN THEM, FROM MY ARMCHAIR IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING SHOULD WASH OUT SAME AS GOLD AND COPPER OUT OF ELECTRONICS

I think the big problem would be the highly reactive lithium creating new and exciting chemical reactions while being recycled

@nugger @HI_Greens @EvolLove @PalePimp @white_male THEYRE NOT, ITS JUST CHEAPER TO RAPE VIRGIN BRINE POOLS

ALL “IMPOSSIBLE” RECYCLING IS JUST EXPENSIVE

I WONDER IF THERE'S A SECONDARY MANUFACTURING MARKET OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE THINGS
LIKE, DIG UP A BLADE GRAVEYARD AND CHOP THEM UP INTO SHINGLES OR SIDING

Send the blades to africa. They'll figure out how to make shanties out of them

I WANT TO RAPE ALL THE VIRGIN BRINE POOLS WITH MY HOT KRILL LOADS

LEAVE THE VIRGIN BRINE POOLS ALONE!

@PalePimp @HI_Greens @Dudebro @EvolLove @nugger @white_male the lithussium

>>Turbine blade graveyards suck ass, however.

Check how much pollution (real one not CO2) their manufacture generates.

Now go check the same with solar panels what happens with the panels once they are discarded.

WELL IT'S A PAIN IN THE FUCKIN ASS WITH THE PANELS BECAUSE IT'S A THREE MATERIAL SANDWICH GLUED TOGETHER

IDEALLY WE WANT SOME WAY TO BURN MELT OR DISSOLVE THE GLUE AND THEN SEPARATE OUR THE GLASS PANE, METAL CONTACTS, AND THE SILICONE WAFERS, AT WHICH POINT ALL THREE ARE RECYCLABLE
UNFORTUNATELY ALL CURRENT METHODS TO DO THIS KINDA SUCK ASS AND THERE'S A BIT OF AN EXPLORATORY PERIOD WITH WHICH METHOD WILL WORK OUT
IM NOT PUTTING ANY MONEY ON ANY OF THE CONTESTANTS SO FAR BECAUSE I HAVE NO MONEY

IT IS CALLED INCINERATING AND GENERATES A LOT OF POLLUTION.

I LOVE SHOUTING, FEELS VERY LIBERATING.

NECESSARY !

IM GOING TO KRILL SO HARD INTO THAT IT WILL BECOME A VRIGIN DUE TO A SYSTEM OVERLOAD ERROR

I'm so basic i have one bitmap for every letter.

I'm so basic even oven cleaner seems acidic

THIS GUY IS ONE MAN TUMS FESTIVAL

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@sapphire @HI_Greens @Dudebro @EvolLove @PalePimp @nugger @white_male
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@BowsacNoodle @HI_Greens @EvolLove @PalePimp I like that you’re constructive in this discussion. Trying to find a way to make it work, rather than nixing it out of the gate. It would be nice to have another solution to energy.

Thank you. I don’t see the point in abandoning wind power whole cloth. The wind blows regardless. We’ve used it for power for hundreds of years. Why should we say “no” instead of “Yes, but do it better”? People are too dead set in certain things.

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@PalePimp balloon with propellers design, all renewable, of course this isn't anyway near the Americas and that's why the demons here hate them.

Please send list of parts, manufacturing costs and average power generated, maintenance costs and all the parts involved in the equation, transformers, cables, not just the nice balloon.

@PalePimp quick ai response cause I'm not a turbine engineer:

Wind vs Chinese Balloon Turbine Cost

**Material and cost comparisons** between traditional American wind turbines and China's floating balloon turbines show a stark contrast in construction materials and pricing, with the Chinese design using up to **90% less material** and avoiding massive concrete foundations or steel towers. While standard US onshore turbines cost roughly **$1.0 – $1.25 million per MW** (totaling $2.6–$4 million per machine), China's recent projects have achieved installed costs as low as **$0.28 per watt** (approx. $280 per kW), which is about **one-fifth the cost** of equivalent US projects.

| Feature | Traditional US Wind Turbine | China's Floating Balloon Turbine (SAWES) |
| :--- | :--- | :--- |
| **Primary Materials** | Steel, fiberglass, copper, iron, aluminum | Helium-filled envelope (low material mass), minimal structural steel |
| **Foundation/Support** | Massive concrete foundations and tall steel towers (80–160m) | **No concrete foundation**; floats at 2 km altitude using helium buoyancy |
| **Material Usage** | High volume; tower and blades account for ~70-80% of cost | **~90% less material** than traditional turbines |
| **Estimated Cost** | **$1.0–$1.25 million per MW** (Onshore) | **$0.28 per watt** ($280/kW) installed in China |
| **Capacity** | 2–12 MW (Offshore up to 12 MW) | 3 MW (tested prototype) |
| **Key Cost Drivers** | Manufacturing (70%), transport, installation, materials | **Helium supply** and specialized manufacturing; significantly lower transport/installation |

The American model relies on heavy industrial materials like **rolled tubular steel** for towers and **glass or carbon fiber** for blades, with manufacturing comprising **70% of total costs**. In contrast, the Chinese **SAWES (Suspended Airborne Wind Energy System)** prototype utilizes a **96,000 m³ helium-filled balloon** to lift the turbine to 2 km altitude, eliminating the need for soil disruption and heavy infrastructure. While the American approach faces rising costs due to steel and copper prices, the Chinese model benefits from economies of scale and subsidies, with tender documents showing prices as low as **2.15 yuan per watt** ($0.28) compared to the US average of **$1.50 per watt**.

Now ask yourself a question: Why aren't these magnificent wind turbines being used everywhere outside the US if they are that great?

@PalePimp because China doesn't have 🧃 that reroute that funding of these projects into their own pockets. Also realistically speaking, not every country has the capacity to produce these machines as not everyone has the materials for them. Honestly we didn't need any of this since energy is free.

Imagine that I build a machine that is 10 times more efficient than similar machines produced elsewhere.

Two things can happen, pick one:

A) Everybody uses my machine.

B) The kikes get angry at me, bomb me, steal my idea and it is them who sell it to everybody else.

What doesn't happen: I invent something cheap that is both practical more efficient, doesn't violate the laws of physics and doesn't require cutting edge technology to manufacture. And nobody uses it.

If my invention is not adopted pick one:

A) Is not practical, maintenance costs outweighs benefit.

B) Is not cheap and cost outweighs benefit.

C) Violates the law of physics (scam)

D) Requires such cutting edge tech that only a few chosen ones can manufacture it, so cost outweighs benefit.

E) Can only be deployed in limited fashion, so benefits are small vs logistics required to deploy.

@PalePimp I hear you man, you make excellent points and they are all reasonable. It just seems like this type of renewable energy is only efficient for a small community or sector that requires it. Mass production doesn't seem to match the capability especially with all these retarded laws and rules.

Small scale many things can work, even a dynamo with a static bike and a battery can power a ton of things these days, heck plenty of people use solar panels in places where there are no power available, but these things are limited in scope.

All these "small" things if used to complement a properly maintained power grid are great, but they will never replace proper country-scale generation, not in cost, not in availability and definitively not on environmental impact.

@BowsacNoodle @HI_Greens

Natural fiber bounded together by polyester and eopxy polymer. Total toxic waste.

The foundation is over 100 m3 concrete and steel.

They are a gigantic energy loss and an environmental disaster.

I get that. I’d like to really point to the rest of my post though. The suggestion for natural fibers is because things fall apart from wear. Get a turbine that’s smaller and perhaps doesn’t need as much or any non biodegradable components for the blade. We know they will wear out, so once it wears out have it compost even if it takes decades. Smaller scale and build on to existing structures or at point of use like farmers today.

I like practicality. I like the aesthetics of shade trees and they are efficient passive cooling when properly placed. If we are going to use wind, it should be done when and where it makes sense. Tall buildings are a good place for it via scoops (not a turbine— although if it can improve on the passive design great) and isolated locations where cost is prohibitive are a good place for small scale local wind and solar.