@mikoto Oh wow, it is: Nirvana fallacy

The nirvana fallacy is the informal fallacy of comparing actual things with unrealistic, idealized alternatives. It can also refer to the tendency to assume there is a perfect solution to a particular problem. A closely related concept is the "perfect solution fallacy".

By creating a false dichotomy that presents one option which is obviously advantageous—while at the same time being completely unrealistic—a person using the nirvana fallacy can attack any opposing idea because it is imperfect. Under this fallacy, the choice is not between real world solutions; it is, rather, a choice between one realistic achievable possibility and another unrealistic solution that could in some way be "better".

It is also related to the appeal to purity fallacy where the person rejects all criticism on basis of it being applied to a non ideal case.

@mikoto the closest thing to Discord that I could find is Stoat (formerly Revolt), the UI is nearly identical and the basic features are there, although end-to-end encryption, federation and video functionality in calls are big missing features.

@meso @mikoto @lain big question is who wants normies around anyway. it's like inviting a methhead to shit on your carpet.

@lain @mikoto @meso good that there's no shortage of normies, just go outside 💁

@lain @mikoto @meso well, yeah. people i used to play games with switched from mumble to discord after getting mrna'd. coincidence? I GUESS NOT!

I've heard tales from travelers bringing news from beyond the wall where they say the touching grass grows wild. And some even swear there are creatures there called "wives" and "girlfriends", which are like mutuals, but for some reason they aren't into commandline or debugging their messaging apps, and want things to "just work".

What strangenesses will they tell of next?

@mikoto hmmm, not a good look for it though.

https://alternativeto.net/software/revolt-chat/about/

@nicholas @mikoto @lain @meso yeah, it might seem to be like this :)

fwiw, "not normie" includes fringy non tech people for me, those usually value the same ideas about how things should be done, they just have different skills. enough of those round fedi, rumor has it that some even are females [x]

so.. maybe don't focus on convincing pzombies of something better? no point in that.

@snacks @lain @mikoto

Yeah, if we count how many people use XMPP that isn’t part of a federation, it actually has more users than Discord.

The ecosystem is fragmented, but I think that’s true for any chat system.