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This is a 10/10 doujin miata_pat

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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo the only cherry on top would be pippa's review.
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@ledocool It’s popular enough that it just has to be addressed at some point. But I don’t she would be able to do it on a stream due to Youtube censorship.

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@SuperDicq I agree.
I wonder how pippa will react to it, if she isn't the one who commissioned it.
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@mangeurdenuage Youtube censorship is annoying. She would never be able to make a proper reaction video to it unless she used a different platform to post it on.

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@SuperDicq Imagine vtubers self hosting a peertube instance.
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@mangeurdenuage There are some vtubers on peertube/owncast actually.

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@hakui @SuperDicq @mangeurdenuage Same with artists, so many of them are banned and suspended its disgusting how they still are on twitter.
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@Pi_rat @hakui @mangeurdenuage Yeah I don’t understand why twitter is like the main place where most artists go? I guess pixiv is terrible too.

Literally the only artists I see on fedi are the ones that make lolicon because they are banned from twitter. I wish most artists who’s work I posted actually had a fedi account so I could just boost their posts instead of reupload it.

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@SuperDicq @mangeurdenuage @Pi_rat some are on misskey, but not much (mainly the banned-from-twitter crowd
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@SuperDicq @hakui @mangeurdenuage

Actually the once I found banned weren't even loli artists.
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@hakui @mangeurdenuage Fucking Discord lol.

I cringe every time I see a collab stream where 1M+ subscriber Vtubers are talking over Discord and you can hear the distinct awful sound quality and bitcrushing that Discord likes to do. It’s so fucking unprofessional.

Like I am very certain that Hololive or whatever company can definitely afford to pay someone to host their own high quality Mumble server or whatever.

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@SuperDicq @hakui
>It's so fucking unprofessional.
They don't care about that, they care about the social effect.

>I am very certain that Hololive or whatever company can definitely afford to pay someone to host their own high quality Mumble server or whatever.
Indeed. But the entry bar is too high for most of their user/customer base.
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@Pi_rat @hakui @mangeurdenuage But yeah that’s my point, I mean to name loli as an example. Most artists on fedi are only here because banned from twitter.

I often try to look for artists that I enjoy here, but I can almost never find them. If you’re lucky they might have a bluesky, but definitely always twitter, never fedi.

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@mangeurdenuage @hakui Yeah it’s crazy. They have Vtuber models that cost thousands of dollars to commission and super expensive rigs and whatever.

And then use it to TALK ON DISCORD AT 64KBPS OPUS ENCODING MY EARS ARE BLEEDING STOP

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@hakui @SuperDicq @mangeurdenuage pippa (or somebody pretending to be her) was on misskey and posted just once

@pippa
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@SuperDicq @hakui @mangeurdenuage getting people to stop using discord is way too fucking hard. They don't care about anything but the fact that they already use it it seems too
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@SuperDicq @hakui @mangeurdenuage

If we had one instance for artist it would solve discoverability issue, since I don't see many fedi artist in my regular feed.
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@Pi_rat @SuperDicq @hakui
>If we had one instance for artist
There is one, but it's ruled by someone who's mental CC @sun
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@Pi_rat @SuperDicq @mangeurdenuage unfortunately the one instance for artist fediblocks everyone else
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@snacks @SuperDicq @hakui
It's not just discord in general, telling people to have proper digital hygiene is like asking street shitters to stop shitting in the street.
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@mangeurdenuage @SuperDicq @hakui
>But the entry bar is too high for most of their user/customer base.
for vtubers themselves, it's their job though
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@hakui @SuperDicq @Pi_rat Indeed I can't recall it but I recall when @sun was legitimately angry about that.
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @hakui
Doesn't change the issue that the customer/userbase is tech illiterate.
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@mangeurdenuage @SuperDicq @hakui voice chat app isn't customer facing in this case I think
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@SuperDicq @hakui @mangeurdenuage some of them do, others use vdoninja because sharing multiple sources can be difficult.. Actually that piece of software isnt great either, i wish for a better and easier solution tho
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@SuperDicq @hakui @mangeurdenuage @Pi_rat >Yeah I don't understand why twitter is like the main place where most artists go?

Winning the retweet/clout lottery. As for fedi, it's what Josh said about containment sites.

"Not to mention Gab suffers from what I refer to as the “8chan problem”, or perhaps more succinctly, the “quarantine problem”. If you make a new service just for people banned from an existing service, you will end up with only that audience. What is attractive about Gab to people not banned from Twitter? Absolutely nothing. There is no reason to go there as someone unaffected by Twitter’s censorship, and furthermore, even as someone affected by Twitter’s censorship, I have no reason to go there because I know people there will mostly agree with what I have to say anyways and it will gain no traction outside of that audience."

So you get the lolisho artists or artists fine with it here because they will get nuked from Twitter or Bluesky if they post anything "too" lewd.

But the average SFW artist or porn artist? He's going to get HUGE because of this thing called "For You" where he can have a post go viral and get posted among other autists into the same thing.

It's shit for art, it has throttling, but it's like that Steam meme. Tumblr, DeviantArt, Furaffinity etc. shot themselves, and then Inkbunny has a similar rep to Baraag.
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@SuperDicq not a fan of gangbangs but the writing is top notch
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@bronze @SuperDicq i've never laughed this hard at internet porn since the thugshaker stuff
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@dym @ledocool That’s not a review, but a single comment.

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@PurpCat @SuperDicq @mangeurdenuage @Pi_rat @hakui The 8chan/quarantine problem doesn't have to be about politics or whatever is banned on the mainstream sites.

I do agree that "competitors" have to be containment sites, but instead of being containment sites for topics that are banned, just do what Vidlii did and make it a containment site for people who are nostalgic for simpler times. Vidlii in particular is for those who are nostalgic for old-school (pre-2009) YouTube. The content posted there reflects that, and I hardly see any political content on there.

I'm pretty sure Tumblr and DeviantArt went through drastic changes over the years and people are yearning for simpler times. Just make a site like old-school DeviantArt or Tumblr and attract that audience. You can then add federation simply as a bonus feature and then you can get a sizable and somewhat diverse (in tastes) audience.

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