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Lucy [hiatus era] 𒌋𒁯

Reminder to never ever reboot your computer i ran an update and rebooted and now I can't login anymore
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@lucy Rebooting is fine, just don’t ever update. I love Debian, can you tell?

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@SuperDicq @lucy to be fair, when theres 1 update per geological epoch i think that would make for a very stable model indeed
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@lucy can you boot into a terminal and try to figure put whats going wrong
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@akko @lucy You can literally install Debian and never update for almost the entire life of the hardware if you wish.

Even the oldoldstable version still gets security patches if problems are severe enough.

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@akko @lucy And you can even do your own backports to ancient versions if you want because it’s free software.

I’m sure there’s people in the field who work on really critical ancient infrastructure that do this regularly.

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@dagda Love it like that. @SuperDicq @lucy

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@lucy loonicks moment
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@lucy for some reason on the latest kernel usb becomes unresponsive
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@meso @lucy

If the login manager does work then I can make a guess as to what's broken.
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@meeper @lucy every time I update OpenSuse it feels like a dice roll on whether it will boot again
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@arcana I always found openSUSE really reliable. Especially considering the BTRFS Snapper support configured out of the box. Tumbleweed, indeed being "leading edge", did break on me a couple times on update, but it was a simple matter of rolling back to a previous state and waiting for non-breaking package updates to get released a couple days later. @lucy @meeper

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@arcana I run Debian nowadays so nothing really ever breaks ever because nothing gets updated. Simple as. @lucy @meeper

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@adiz @arcana @lucy

Seriously thinking about moving from arch for this reason, is nixos good?
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Hildegunst von Mythenmetz of programming

@lucy just temporarily set the init as /bin/sh in grub and be fine
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@SuperDicq @akko @lucy Debian maintainers don't know what their doing, and it should be avoided
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@meeper Never tried NixOS. I understand it's a very different approach to Linux and you basically have to build the system off configuration files in the Nix Language or whatever. The people I know who run it say it has a steep learning curve but that that thereafter their experience is wonderful. I've no real desire to involve myself with it; I think my time and energy is better spent focused towards something more productive. You could ask @mischievoustomato about NixOS, he uses it and is quite knowledgeable.

I used to run openSUSE Tumbleweed for the longest time and it was always very reliable. But, I've always had an affinity for Debian and since going 100% all-in with Debian on both my desktop and servers I'm very happy with it. It's a traditional, clean Linux experience that is very straightforward and coherent without breakage or always having to troubleshoot and fix things. @arcana @lucy

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@adiz @arcana @lucy @mischievoustomato I didn't like opensuse not having a good way to change which packages are installed explicitly and which as dependencies and that kinda pushed me away from it and back to arch, tbh aside from -Syu breakage shenanigens arch is fairly nice
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@lucy
It must have been the new proprietary software that was installed to deprive the user of their freedom to log in. I have updated Gentoo-libre countless times, and the only thing that has happened is that freedom has improved as expected.
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@arcana @lucy @meeper maybe y’all just haven’t earned its respect

i’m literally on the same snapshot as lucy and all of my stuff is working fine

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@mia @lucy @meeper oh it’s never actually broken for me, I just worry that it will
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@SuperDicq @akko @lucy netzsphäre ran on oldoldstabke for a while, the vps provider just sucked so we still had a bunch of downtime
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@lucy i had kde once refuse to accept my password, this was in like 2015
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@arcana @lucy @meeper what ever happened to their openQA system then? it was supposed to prevent shit like that
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@meeper @arcana @adiz @lucy for me what annoys me from opensuse is yast/their custom stuff. Also zypper is quite slow when downloading for me...
NixOS is a great OS for me and the only linux I can use comfortably, but learning it has a very steep curve but it's as powerful as it is hard to learn. I have a lot of configuration set up, from nixOS' own knobs, overlays (package modifications, adding or modifying), my own module (configuration setting). I can even configure gnome using nixOS, i set up extensions, gtk3 theme, and configure both extensions and gnome using the dconf module home-manager has. It's majestic.
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@mia @lucy @arcana @meeper that sorta stuff of "works fine on one computer, total mess on another" is complete bullshit and proof that linux needs at least another 5 to 10 years for mass adoption
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@mischievoustomato Meanwhile I just run standard Debian with binary packages and stock GNOME + a few GNOME extensions. I'm a simple boomer man. @arcana @lucy @meeper

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@lucy
this is why most people should be using an immutable/atomic distribution.

this is completely safe to do on
Endless (debian based)
Fedora Atomic (based)
NixOS (gay version of Guix) (hi @mischievoustomato )
GuixSD (GNU)
Bazzite (gaymen based)
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@mischievoustomato @lucy it practically only really supports AMD64 Linux, ARM64 Darwin (macos kernel), and AMD64 Darwin. x86 and ARM Linux are second class citizens. Doesn't support POWER, RISC-V, or ARM32 at all. Now thats pretty gay.

and despite supporting way less hardware, their packages are also more out of date AND they carry less packages (when excluding non-free software)

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@meso tumbleweed
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@nemesis i used a live boot stick and reset the rooy password. It's the feds they're on to me
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@meso next void era coming soon
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@freetar @lucy @mischievoustomato I, a hypocrite who uses Fedora, always shill Guix because it's really neat.
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@lucy I blame PAM.

Try chrooting in from a free live image and see if PAM has killed itself.
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