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I think people saying itch should fight back is kind of interesting. Like what they gonna do? Steam would have been in the perfect position to fight back and they went down without fighting. Itch is a much smaller outfit than Steam, there is no way they could have pushed back in any way, hence their really hard move into just cutting out all sensitive content on their platform.

It’s still redics though, that payment processors just blanket assume any NSFW game is bad and not worth processing.

But er, also, Mastercard has a non-disparagement clause in their contracts (§5.12.18) that forbids merchants from saying anything bad, or they’ll sue. So that is primarily why Valve and Itch haven’t pushed back either, it would make things way worse for them financially

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@yassie_j valve is not in a position to push back.
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@yassie_j the mastercard/visa duopoly controls like 80% of all credit card traffic in the USA (i don't know about other countries.) considering fintech and bankers are an extremely deep rooted cancer going back hundreds of years in this country, gabe would not win that fight.

hell entire populist revolts have been fought to shove out creditors. they failed.

to say mastercard is a hard target is putting it lightly.
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@icedquinn yeah I was speaking in a conditional. Obviously they wouldn’t have been in a position to push back as much as itch, but you can see that they had a slightly less of a response to their overall library in comparison to itch

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@yassie_j itch is mostly being extremely paranoid. they said as much in their press release that they basically just pulled everything to appease MC while they review what they're actually allowed to do.
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Valve used to accept bitcoin.

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@nicholas @yassie_j there is a story about that and it tl;drs to a 'conservative' was debanked and switched to plugging bitcoin for a while until he found a new merchant account that would take him.

they said they didn't care if he talked about dajooz and jesus but first order of business was he was no longer to support bitcoin.

cutting finance is running directly in to the heart of the machine and they are not in the slightest bit amused by the attempts
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@nicholas @yassie_j meta also tried this once with libracoin and the entire EU immediately conspired against them.

blobcatwoah unfathomably large forces at play.
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@nicholas @icedquinn @yassie_j Supposedly they went about it in one or the most clumsy ways possible
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@mrsaturday @nicholas @yassie_j i don't know if transacting btc/xmr has gotten any better. there is like -one- cart software that does it and @sun said its shit.

i think porkbun and some accept it, but they do it through crap like coinbase that auto-converts it to USD for them and thus defeats the whole point.
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Oh man I totally forgot about that. I watched a documentary about guys who messed up their lives on crypto. One guy's wife left him and took their kids when he put their life savings in doge, but he got out at the top and made bank. At the end of the show he took it all and put it in libracoin..... I hope he's okay.

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@icedquinn @nicholas @yassie_j @sun The US makes it deliberately difficult to conduct business with crypto. Any use cases beyond pump and dump casino trash get made illegal very quickly.

I agree with @sun that USDT/USDC would be just fine for this, at least until Congress gets off its ass and starts mandating credit card companies stop. Supposedly there's a bill, but it's stalled in committee.
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@mrsaturday @nicholas @yassie_j @sun they won't until forced to at gunpoint. we already have historical examples of people trying to do it the right way and the finance guys just pay off the state (populist moment)
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@mrsaturday @nicholas @sun @yassie_j populist moment goes in to detail about farmers in the 1800s or somesth tried to get out of the credit crap and crop lein systems by doing worker co-ops and free market capitalism only to end up having to also fight every level of government and each other.

there were partial successes but people are really bad at cooperation and finance folk are very good at exploiting everything.
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@icedquinn @nicholas @yassie_j @sun A large portion of the state approves of what they're doing, because current policy in DC is to outsource constitutional violations to defense contractors and too-big-to-fail entities like Mastercard or MIT. Neither Democrats or Republicans have the appetite to break up monopolies, so we're kind of fucked. You're right in that it'd probably take a literal revolution to get them to stop.
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@mrsaturday @icedquinn @nicholas @sun @yassie_j yeah, I think that nothing short of going Mangione en mass is gonna help at this point
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@icedquinn @nicholas @yassie_j @mrsaturday @sun do it enough times and replacements will be harder to find
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@coldacid @nicholas @yassie_j @mrsaturday @sun no they'll just start hiding all the details like they started doing
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@coldacid @icedquinn @nicholas @sun @yassie_j It'd have to be organized, done fast, and done right. But it would be insanely hard. I do worry about how sophisticated the surveillance apparatus is, and how divided we are would make it impossible. Remember, self-proclaimed an-coms at Reddit were more than happy to narc out J6er relatives to the FBI.
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@coldacid @icedquinn @nicholas @sun @yassie_j Also knuckledragging takes like you see from the alphabet flagger in OP where they accuse this of being "christofascism" when it was a Jewish investment banker calling in a favor to his Hindu CEO friend that started this all tells you what we're working with.
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@mrsaturday @icedquinn @nicholas @sun @yassie_j I like the idea of xmr but because the government couldn't control it but I heard 3 letter agencies are finding ways to hack it
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@Ree @icedquinn @nicholas @sun @yassie_j It's been around a little too long, I'd only trust it due to a lack of better options. I do worry that someone's found a way to crack it.

Still, it's difficult to get in the US and unfortunately people aren't going to want to jump through a bunch of crypto hoops when their bank card is 19 numbers away. I think they should learn, but you know how it is.
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@mrsaturday @icedquinn @nicholas @sun @yassie_j it's like using pgp I doubt people will be using it but it's cool
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@mrsaturday @nicholas @icedquinn @Ree @sun Supposedly, Zano is even more private that Monero (not even the amount of money sent is publically viewable), but I haven't tried it.

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@xianc78 @mrsaturday @nicholas @Ree @sun i've heard people on fedi opine xmr is compromised but i feel like if that was true they would have stopped trying to suppress it.
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@icedquinn @nicholas @xianc78 @mrsaturday @sun mean they are ways to get people to give away transactions. But that's what I heard
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@xianc78 @nicholas @icedquinn @Ree @sun I'll have to look into it. I doubt it's purchasable in the US, though.
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@mrsaturday @nicholas @icedquinn @Ree @sun It's new so there probably aren't that many vendors selling it right now, legal or not.

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