@technolyze @sathariel average westerner who criticizes le saffron terror doesnt actually care about punjabis they just like having a cudgel to beat unenlightened browns who arent secular humanists like them with

@nyx not sure what most of this means unless its a space odyssey ref but theyfabs are hot

@technolyze @sathariel I'm just sick of white people demanding one thing for india and another thing for pakistan, it is itself rooted in western chauvinism and is of the attitude of british imperialists who think they can run india better than the plurality or majority of india.

@technolyze @sathariel you can believe man is God while I'll believe that God is God and is both transcendent to and permeates all things

@sathariel some notable saints have done it actually

@technolyze @sathariel you call out religious fascism and fanaticism everywhere except when muslim supremacists practice it. when the houthis say curse upon the jews, you defended them. i have called out israel for their genocide of a mostly muslim people in gaza. bangladeshi muslims once committed a genocide against hindus, and yet you act as if somehow hindus are more obligated to follow your law of secular humanism than the rest of the indian subcontinent. I dont support BJP or most forms of nationalism. in my eyes nationalism is only a stepping stone to statehood for the stateless. I think that pride in ones ethnicity turns one against God. but tell me this: why is wanting india to be governed by hindu dharma (I dont believe in the dharma shastras btw, they were always a tool of the brahmin elite but I'll use this term) "fascism" but wanting yemen governed by a certain strain of sharia is an acceptable and understandable response to jewish imperialism? dont you see that hindu, Jain, and later Sikh india was once subject to Islamic imperialism as well?

@technolyze @sathariel actually sorry for being cruel it hopefully won't happen again. were both mentally ill and I shouldnt judge you for it

@technolyze @sathariel I dont believe any of those things I think maybe you need to leave your echochambers

@sathariel you seem to think that I think everyone needs to believe in jesus or theyll go to hell for ever because jesus saves. I dont believe that I believe that all beings will return to God one day and that there are many paths to do it and that yeshua bhakti in the bhava of God as savior is one of them

@technolyze @sathariel okay I guess every believer who is more than a dabbler is a fundamentalist now, even those who believe multiple religions are revealed or people who dont believe in scriptural infallibility like me. you can criticize me for liking tarot cards but I havent been agnostic in years, and my religion when I was agnostic was a toxic amalgamate of chaomagick and thelema and the most arrogant sort of advaita vedanta. just go back to telling me to kill myself.

@technolyze @sathariel lmao how could I be radicalized by trads if I never was in their echochamber? the only christians ive ever interacted with seriously are catholic or non-white. I'd argue that your exposure to a predominantly evangelical form of christianity has predisposed you to seeing "christofascists" everywhere. you seem to think that belief in the life of an incarnation or avatara is the stuff of religious extremism, am I an extremist for believing that krishna really did kill demons and dance with the gopis? if you want to know my beliefs ask my beliefs because prots would consider me an idolator, dont troll me to determine my beliefs. its beneath you.

@sathariel sole fide is toxic I agree but any belief that advocates for a devotion to God including devotion to God in the bhava as savior is one that leads to final beatitude. "God suffered for you out of pure love so love and believe in Him", I see nothing but love of God in this.

@technolyze @sathariel honestly in your last post it seemed like your ideology was entirely based on jesus saying father why have you forsaken me and "take this cup from me" and now it seems like it really is based on that. jesus preached that the greatest commandment is to love God with all your heart so that really can't be reconciled with your assertion. highest dharma isnt to love one another because others have your back when God doesnt (which is in an inversion, God has your back when others dont and many of jesuss neighbors were cruel to him) its to love all beings with an even eye, seeing God in them and them in God. also the resurrection was a very early christian belief and I'd argue if it had not happened christianity wouldnt have taken off so much as a successful sect in light of it challenging judaism in so many ways. the first ending of mark has the women find the tomb empty. everything in mark after 16 verse 8 is added sure.

@sathariel why are you so mad about this is the question

@technolyze @sathariel thats just secular humanism though. secular humanism has never led to liberation, if you want that become a mahayana buddhist.

@sathariel thats a pretty simplistic rendering of jesuss mission he didnt just have firm faith in God in the face of suffering he actively wanted others to take up their own cross and suffer with him, abandoning all worldly ties for the highest dharma of love of God and eachother. and his suffering was a suffering that freed others from the bondage of their sin by their bhakti in him as an avatara. a lot of historic Christian mystical thought involving ecstatic states involves focusing on christs passion and sharing in it with him. again, devoting your suffering to God is an ultimate act of submitting to the will of God. its not masochism.

@sathariel you gotta be more specific. if youre talking about karma then Indian thought has pretty complex theories about it. but "dharmic conduct brings pleasant results but adharmic conduct brings bad fruit including suffering" is one of the few things agreed upon by everyone. there is debate about action vs inaction but I'd argue the bhagavad gita settles it.

@lebronjames75 God is too merciful to damn anyone eternally take the infinite grace pill

@subnetter @djsumdog @sarvo the phone part of my phone isnt working right now so I couldnt use signal

@sathariel sorry what? saying suffering expiates is just basic karma theory, and theres nothing masochistic about devoting ones suffering to God (sattvic and beyond the gunas). it is the opposite of masochism (tamasic). jesus laid down his life for his friends and his mission yes but what was his mission and who were his friends?