@7666 @mirq I'd push blue too, choice theorists would say everyone should go red but I think we should let people make irrational choices

feeling tired and sad, wanted to do a bit of work on a project today but I dont think I can

@joey isnt it funny that this began with you citing a study and then when I showed you the study agreed with me you said the study was false, and then when I said almost all the studies are saying it you said all genetic studies that try to determine origin are false? no one is claiming ashkenazi jews are literally southern italians, were our own ethnic group. but were genetically closely related to eachother, whether you like it or not.

@joey take it up with the nearly unanimous actual experts, mr self proclaimed expert. sorry you were personally offended though.

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@ellenor2000 I'm just being silly

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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz Arabs had already adopted Jewish customs after the Himyarites so I think a more likely inference is that he was just from some random Arabian town, or maybe he was always a nomad, and Mecca was established sometime later in honor of him or something.

Early Muslim history is strange because the archeology suggests the shift toward something like Islam happened before Muhammad. Muhammad isn't even a name, it's a title, and it's used in inscriptions to refer to Jesus.

We also barely have any reliable documentation of anything for over a century after Muhammad's life and death. It's all biographies written well after the fact with contradictory information, Quranic interpretations that seem opposite to their plain reading. It's messier than most realize.

Arabians also composed poetry similar to the Quran before. It could very well just be an aggregation/revision of old folk-jewish Arabic poetry.

I think whatever happened when they started conquering, the first generation of what we now call Muslims completely failed to pass on the memory of whatever they were up to and a lot of it is fragments of truth pieced back together with a lot of creative interpretation and imagination.

@meowski @georgia you are proposing a mass conspiracy to alter the history of the disappearance of millions of people, of soldiers seeing piles of dead bodies, of traumatized people witnessing horrors beyond human comprehension. Genocides happen and they really aren’t that massive of a feat.

@apollo I dont buy it but I must say I'm curious

@meowski @technolyze yeah sorry youre just incredibly wrong. like i said, almost every argument raised by revisionists is addressed on nizkor. the comparison to japanese people is almost ridiculous. go do your welding.

I was up almost all night last night chain-sucking lifesavers like a madman. now my tongue is all raw.

@meowski @technolyze about 6 million jews still died or it wouldnt have taken until now for the world jewish population to rebound. a million of them were shot by death squads, many were gassed, and many died of starvation and disease. it had multiple methods but was still a deliberate and systemic genocide. look at nizkor, talk some other time.

@meowski @technolyze youre wrong. almost every revisionist myth ive ever seen is handily deconstructed and debunked at https://www.nizkor.org

go read that site and maybe then well talk

@meowski @technolyze sorry I didn't read after the denying the Holocaust part. just means the rest of your post is probably a waste of time.

speaking of fringe theories theres this one jordanian guy who thinks ancient israel was originally in Arabia and the Israelites were arabians.

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if israel thinks that palestinian refugees and their descendants will lose their desire to return with time they are very wrong... and they just need to look at their own example. palestinians have been subject to atrocities and forced to live in camps for being palestinian not just in israel/palestine but in Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria. their persecution by israel and even by fellow arabs strengthens their national identity and theyll likely want to live with other palestinians who share that identity and that other-ness, just like the jews did. the arabs of bilad al-sham (formerly the diocese of the east, which includes palestinians, jordanians, syrians, and lebanese) were originally one nation, but no more. the palestinians have been made into the jews of the arabs, and I'm not the first to say that.