@lizzie that makes sense!!

@James_Dixon @ChristiJunior @Goalkeeper

>The English word is Jehovah.

Jehovah wasnt how the name is pronounced though. YHVH is a direct latinization of the ineffable name. we dont know the vowels.

>He said that was what the law required of us. He knew we couldn't do it.

the sermon on the mount wasnt a mere expounding of the existing law, it was a summation of jesus's teachings which radically reformed the law. jesus never spoke empty words, when you say of all his moral precepts "he knew we couldnt follow his words" you are saying his teachings were meant for an audience of no one. this is a protestant invention, that jesus is solely meant to be "believed" and not meant to be actually followed. love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you means exactly that.

>I will give the stranger of my excess in the manner I judge best when my own are taken care of, as 1 Timothy 5:8 says I should:
"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

first off, these are the words of paul, not jesus, jesus said to take the stranger in and this doesnt abrogate jesus. paul is just saying you are first responsible for your own, which was historically interpreted not in the manner of a nuclear family home, but to mean your distant relations and friends as well, provided they were believers.

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/1_timothy/5-8.htm

"The words "his own," refer to those who are naturally dependent on him, whether living in his own immediate family or not. There may be many distant relatives naturally dependent on our aid, besides those who live in our own house"

"The circle of those for whose support and sustenance a Christian was responsible is here enlarged: not merely is the fairly prosperous man who professes to love Christ, bound to do his best for his nearest relations, such as his mother and grandmother, but St. Paul says 'he must assist those of his own house,' in which term relatives who are much more distant are included, and even dependents connected with the family who had fallen into poverty and distress."

theres nothing objectionable about this, its your interpretation of it which abrogates christ which is objectionable:

>My home and land are not excess.

you are interpreting your entire country as the same as your own household, which is an error. God in the old testament told the israelites to welcome strangers. “the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.” Leviticus 19:34
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/leviticus/19-34.htm I would read the entire commentary on this verse if I were you.

jesus's words were similarly clear: take in the stranger. that means into your own home if necessary, and when I have my own home I will take in strangers if I have the room. I promise you this.

>I'm perfectly willing to provide charity to the "least among us". But foreign invaders are not "among us". And they can receive my charity in the own lands.

immigrants aren't invaders, this is dehumanizing language. most immigration violation in the US is overstaying a legal welcome. the meaning of the stranger among you hasnt changed since Leviticus. do you give charity to the needy in other countries? I have.

>He also said there is neither male nor female in Christ, so I guess all the Christians died out in the first century, huh?

this is a sophistic imitation of reductio ad absurdum. paul meant that jewish and greek believers were equal, equal in Gods promise and equal in the church, so its only logical that you should also treat Jew and Greek alike in friendship, and likewise you yourself should not have preferences for Jew or Greek, for Israelite and stranger, for authorized and unauthorized immigrant, provided the person has shown you no unfriendliness.

>I'm willing to give of my excess to the stranger, just as the good Samaritan did. I'm not willing to take him into my home or homeland. That doesn't give him what's best for him.

giving in excess is good, not taking refugees into your "homeland" is unbiblical. its your opinion that its not what's best for him, its Gods opinion that the needy ought to be provided for when they entreat you.

@lizzie ah yes, charity, the word that now means something much less potent

@lizzie omg did you say this? waow!!

@nyx @ceo_of_monoeye_dating also I think theyre just protestants not tradcaths

@nyx @ceo_of_monoeye_dating there are definitely countless places of worse suffering than kali yuga earth. its silly to think that this is the worst it gets, just like its silly to think that this is the best place. creation is vast and manifold! some hells are for many people with generic purifying duhkha, some are special hells for "special" sinners designed to correct and punish their particular bad tendencies/samskaras. but all are temporary.

@James_Dixon @ChristiJunior @Goalkeeper @matty "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:19. being a christian isnt just about believing jesus died for you, its about following what jesus, perfect God and perfect man, said to do.

@grillchen I think cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing. the old testament and especially the quran are warlike in parts, but the new testament is very much not.

@James_Dixon @ChristiJunior @Goalkeeper @matty @Frondeur he didnt just forgive the romans lol. he said "them", meaning the whole multitude.

@James_Dixon @ChristiJunior @Goalkeeper Jesus isnt just the same as YHVH, YHVH is Jesus. people reap the punishment of their own misdeeds, but never does that mean God does not love them or does not want them to eventually return to Him. God said to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, yet you hate your enemies. you know what He also said?

"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me."
Matthew 25:40-45

All of you are saying "I will not take the stranger in". you condemn the Jews for what they did to Christ their brother but when you do not help the least among you, you do the same to Jesus.

perhaps even worse, some among you, admitted atheists and bound for a terrible afterlife, say "I will take the stranger in solely if he is white". you know what Jesus said? He said your neighbor, who you should love as yourself, is more a samaritan (who had enmity with the jews) than a jewish priest as long as he shows you compassion. and paul said there is neither Jew nor Greek, for all are one in Christ Jesus.

plainly stated the jews of jesuss time were xenophobes, but jesus was not xenophobic. he loved the stranger. do you?

@SuperSnekFriend @ChristiJunior @Goalkeeper @matty its funny how you compare yourself to jesus yet you mock the real jesus as "lovey-dovey".

@Goalkeeper @ChristiJunior @matty @Frondeur @verita84 what was the question

@Goalkeeper @ChristiJunior @matty @SuperSnekFriend I'm not projecting at all, anyone who reads this conversation impartially can see that I have conducted myself better than you.

@SuperSnekFriend @ChristiJunior @Goalkeeper @matty God never errs. even what seems like an error to mankind is perfect. I answered your question.

@verita84 @Goalkeeper @matty @Frondeur @ChristiJunior God can forgive everyone, who are you to say who should and shouldnt be forgiven? He is infinitely merciful. I'm not the one supporting unbiblical dogma, you are.

@SuperSnekFriend @ChristiJunior @Goalkeeper @matty youre engaged in sophistry for an evil purpose (to not obey Jesus). my answer is: "your father is perfect, therefore be like your father who is perfect".

@Goalkeeper @ChristiJunior @matty @Frondeur I havent been cruel to you but you have been cruel to me. who acts like a better Christian?

@SuperSnekFriend @ChristiJunior @Goalkeeper @matty youre really desperate for an excuse to disregard Gods commandments

@Goalkeeper @ChristiJunior @matty @Frondeur I never said Jesus forgave everyone I said He loved everyone, which one of you said was wrong lmao.

@Goalkeeper @ChristiJunior @matty @Frondeur he literally forgave the people who crucified Him, except Judas