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@p @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @rasterman i would never stoop so low. i will defend myself in ways that don't harm wildlife.
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@moth @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @p @rasterman no that's ever i get killed by the russkis and unceremoniously tossed in an unmarked grave
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@p @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @rasterman this is dumb. even with that philosophy, bats perform invaluable services to humans. more people would die if bats didn't exist than a crack tenement.
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@xj9 @p @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @rasterman it's such a tryhard attitude. "I'LL CLUB ALL THE SEALS TO STOP THE COMMIES!!"
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@xj9 @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @p @rasterman men like to believe they are independent from and above nature
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@moth @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @p @rasterman @xj9 it's a comedic attempt reflecting a seriously held hubris of machismo. at any rate saying men like to imagine is no more saying all men like to than saying people like marvel movies means all people.
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@seelenknochen @realDonaldTrump @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @p @rasterman it's more accurate to refer to bats as flying rats, cladistically speaking. both i resent, but he's doing it tongue in cheek.
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@leyonhjelm @p @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @rasterman @wish wtf are you talking about the titty pirate is the best
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@p @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @rasterman @xj9 it was tongue in cheek man, i just doubled down cause you talked about clubbing seals
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@p @moth @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @rasterman @xj9 i'm paid by the chinese to spread pro-beast propaganda
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@p @seelenknochen @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @rasterman @realDonaldTrump chiropterans are more closely related to ungulates than rodents
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@p @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @rasterman @realDonaldTrump @seelenknochen it doesn't matter if I call FreeDOS a linux distribution, they're both open source operating systems.
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@p @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @rasterman @realDonaldTrump @seelenknochen
nice churchill anecdote. what about illumos or a BSD? both are unix, both free software, both used by the same community. in the same manner that a layman unfamiliar with bats may be told "a bat is a flying rat" they may also be told "BSDs are distros". whales are only fish to those very zoologically ignorant, including the ancient chinese. it's actually a cogent point, you're just missing it because you're selectively autistic about classifications.
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@11112011 @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @p @rasterman @realDonaldTrump @seelenknochen if you don't want to hear what i have to say then fucking untag me like i asked
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@11112011 @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @p @rasterman @realDonaldTrump @seelenknochen i thought it over and no, i'm not going to take away your only incentive not to tag me. that's like letting the terrorists win.
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@p @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @rasterman @realDonaldTrump @seelenknochen i thought of android but that's a shitty comparison because it could actually be called small l linux, whereas bats should never be called rats.

you're goalpost moving by bringing up the history of the word fish, as if this is about a particular sort of semantic argument rather than an ontological one of you thinking not-trueities can have useful descriptive value in certain contexts. the appeal to past usage of the term fish is, which again is just one example and not the original one of bats and rats, is me-tier pedantry, so congratulations.
the word "fish" exists, describing a scientifically defined ontological category. you know that is what i'm referring to when i say cetaceans aren't fish, exploiting linguistic ambiguity to obfuscate this is pettifoggery.
"linguistic ignorance"
linguistics and zoology are the only two things i know i have superior knowledge of than you but nice b8 m8
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@p @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @rasterman @realDonaldTrump @seelenknochen you only think it's an apt comparison because you imagine a universe where calling a bat a rat is useful. if I had said android you would've said "but it uses the linux kernel ashkually" and you would've been right.
bats are in no way rats, flying or otherwise.
you are making some sort of descriptive/existentialist argument about a bat being whatever people call a bat so it's not false to say a bat is a flying rat because some people will think bat when you say flying rat. by the same conceit someone could say "that guy who invented the internet" and mean steve jobs and yeah they'd be wrong, even though that makes sense to some people.
bat isn't a common name with ambiguities in the way, say, "turtle" is. nor is it a folk name associated with a single species that contains concepts which could be associated with another, like "bluebird" could be to any blue avian, or "deadly nightshade" to any highly toxic plant in Solanaceae.
nor is bat a paraphyletic grouping, there is a 1:1 overlap between the scientific term chiropteran and the common term bat.
nor is flying rat even a common term for bat, most people will imagine pigeons given that description.

there's a contradiction to saying that it's false to call fish cetaceans (cause cetacean is scientific jargon) but not to call whales fish, and to proceed to to say "well what is truth really, language is socially constructed". we accept the existence of truth as the most foundational axiom upon which all first reasoning proceeds.

the appeal to machine learning is meaningless to me, i am not a believer in strong AI, I don't care what an algorithm says about bats and rats, though it would be reminiscent to the picture of a cat labelled dog by a neural net. actually, calling cats dogs has more truth to it than calling bats rats. both are domesticated companion animals with a relatively close cladistic relation.

if you had said "bats are like rats with wings, it was a metaphor" i'd disagree and explain why but not call it a false statement. but you didn't. you're now saying "well nouns are groupings of properties and bats have rat properties so i'm still right".

as for linguistics my knowledge is largely in philology and etymology, which is what's relevant to your "fish used to mean this" argument.
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@seelenknochen @11112011 @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @p @rasterman @realDonaldTrump i just enjoy a good debate, particularly with pete. you guys should be grateful that i've interrupted your regular programming of racism and ribaldry with something more stimulating.
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@p @PakkonenCT @PussySlayer @adam @m0n5t3r @moth @rasterman @realDonaldTrump @seelenknochen if i knew you were defending it as metaphor i wouldn't have called it false. at any rate i'm in a sour mood after a particularly cruel conversation so you'll have to settle for my boring internet argument where i didn't look at your replies as i wrote mine and relied solely on immediate memory.
it's not like you have any respect for me to lose so i'll just say you win, bats are flying rats
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