@lain one mans freedom from exploitation is another's oppression. communes are creepy to me but so is ancapistan. i like the idea of anarchosyndicalism.

@lain i mean ancaps feel like scruples based restrictions on capital flow are oppression. i can see both perspectives.

@lain @shmibs the same argument can be made about freedom to say vs freedom to be heard, no?

@xj9 @lain @shmibs i agree

@lain @shmibs a drink is personal property though private property is different at least in theory. i think where all anarchy has trouble is how is one supposed arbitrate what even constitutes the higher social good or following the NAP or whatever is law in absence of the state? ought power be diverted to such a body intended to arbitrate this? it seems the only given is that power ought be distributed so one can least harm his fellow but who is to ensure an unequal distribution falls within acceptable difference or is unacceptable? all proposed systems of human organization are just that, systems... meant to guide people towards the most desirable way of living, meant to mollify mans base instincts. what does it rectify? can a system alone create a culture? i think if the culture changes radically towards one of empathy the best system for human organization would occur naturally. but perhaps hoping for such a development is even more hopelessly sanguine than hoping for your preferred boogaloo or revolution or whatever. it would have to occur post disaster i think that is without question.

@Moon @shmibs @lain discourse of this sort always sort always devolves to semantics if not outright pedantry... i think one has to adopt a consequentialist approach rather than a deontological one sometimes.

@shmibs @lain @hakui oh i love the baboon studies

@lain @Moon @shmibs my personal treatment of consequentialism is how would an individual best effect society in a way that they are making it better for any random person besides themselves, it's not about two particular people. fuck i guess that's kind of kantian.

@Moon @lain @shmibs you're probably right though

@lain @Moon @shmibs sorry i don't understand this especially the one guy two guys part. are you applying economic theory to that of ethics in general?

@lain @Moon @shmibs no which is why my entire """contribution""" to this conversation is that all systems of human organization are doomed without people being empathetic.

@lain @dew_the_dew @Moon @shmibs microstates are pretty based

@lain @Moon @dew_the_dew @shmibs good fucking take

@Eris @pernia @lain @shmibs i think it comes down to what one thinks is moral to claim ownership of.

@Eris @lain @pernia @shmibs brb buying the moon

@SpudsRudeEye @Eris is it bad that when i saw the episode i just wanted to eat one

@SpudsRudeEye @Eris it looks like shrimp tempura

@SpudsRudeEye @Eris supposedly better!

@djsumdog @lain @Moon @dew_the_dew @shmibs westphalian sovereignty is also an innovation