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In general, on foreign policy, MAGA Republicans want to be isolationist. Establishment Dems want to dominate the world while saying everything we're doing is in everybody's best interest. The left wants to work through the UN, letting the world community truly make the decisions and doing whatever they require of us. Or at least that's my reading of it.

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War and isolationism? Are these our only two choices? In that case, I'm non-binary. @wjmaggos

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@wjmaggos

World domination schemes, so tasty right now...
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@truthbait

I don't think I said that. Ultimately everything is going to come down to agreements of "you do this, we'll do that". hopefully before violence starts, but afterwards if peace can't be sustained.

I'm a lefty. We affect each other and we are always going to be self interested and somewhat blind to other's concerns. The first two options are not sustainable long-term. Problems fester. We have interests that voters won't let us ignore. Better to always be negotiating and deal fairly.

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Muslims are commanded by their God to murder the unbelievers, especially the Jews. Too many of them eagerly accept this goal as their own. How exactly do you think a piece of paper is going to solve that little issue? It's not about land. It's about Jews living outside of Sharia. How many should be forced into sharia to pacify the Jihad? 30%? 50%? Because they want 100%. But I eagerly await your final solution. @wjmaggos

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@truthbait

but somehow most of the people who call themselves Muslim already don't spend all their time murdering tho. I guess I will talk to them.

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@dcc @truthbait @wjmaggos some would say the ones driving every current conflict is the US after ww2 with it’s numerous regime change operations through CIA and NGO’s. Every conflict goes back to US since it needs to expand in infinity to maintain power. When it’s all under it’s control it will start eating up the people in the countries it has control over for resources. Some other people say it isn’t the anglo mindset but that jews are actually behind the behavior of anglo rulers
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I didn't say "most" as you try to assert in your straw-man argument. I said "too many." Now, would you like to continue based on what I actually said? Do you want to argue that NO Muslims have taken up Jihad in order to slaughter nonbelievers as commanded? @wjmaggos

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@truthbait

and I didn't say I was going to use a piece of paper. no I do not want to argue about Muslims and the percentage that believe they are supposed to kill nonbelievers and how many actually do or why you've reduced my commentary on US foreign policy to that.

people have interests. they kill each other. they form nations. I think we should all be trying to work it out more fairly that we do now and that this would make for a better world.

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Get out of the way of people who are killing Hamas and Hisb'allah. That's a good start. Maybe don't identify with a movement that attacks Jews on campus, tears down statues of our founders, fields ANTIFA armies when street terror is on the menu, for starters? These are just suggestions off the top of my head. Until then you don't really have the moral ground to stand on re making the world a better place. @wjmaggos

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@dcc @truthbait @wjmaggos personally I believe world war 2 was equally against anglo mind control as much as jew mind control. The enslavement by anglo, the British, who had spent hundreds of years pitting different European countries against each other
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@Diceyocean @dcc @truthbait

no conspiracy is necessary. one might say the conspiracy mindset is a good distraction and way to keep people divided.

it's capitalism. the drive for profit leads corporations to manipulate politicians to use govts to serve their interests at home and abroad. the US is only the most obvious example because it has the most powerful military and provides voters with the least ability to make govt serve the public over the interests of donors.

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@wjmaggos @dcc @truthbait with the case of British they had a way that was without honor to use European countries to enrich themselves that led up to ww2. Europe was the Arabs for British during hundreds of years
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@wjmaggos @dcc @truthbait anyway they achieved their goals. The anglospere has replaced most of the native culture in European countries with a globalist McDonald’s type of instagram Netflix culture. It’s all ruined
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@Diceyocean @dcc @wjmaggos @truthbait the very reason world war 2 broke out was because anglos placed a hostile to germany pole in charge of poland and then got canaris to feed hitler false intel about the soviets planning an attack, which caused operation barbarossa to break out
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@lina @Diceyocean @dcc @truthbait @wjmaggos this is like the 4th different interpretation on the cause of ww2 I've seen from russians online and I've never seen any of them repeated within or without that context
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@menherahair @Diceyocean @dcc @truthbait @wjmaggos if canaris got executed later and fed false intel to hitler about the normandy landings then he definitely caused operation barbarossa, all in spite of the soviets and the third reich cooperating before the operation
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@lina @dcc @wjmaggos @truthbait yes but just saying the game of putting European against each other is 100 of years old. They were pirate merchants feeding of us poor innocent Europeans
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@Diceyocean @dcc @wjmaggos @truthbait that is the case yea, it's only natural the rothschilds and the other scum went from a smaller isolated island to an entire isolated continent to fuck with the world from
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@wjmaggos @Diceyocean @truthbait >it's capitalism Socialism* there hasn't been "capitalism" basically ever.
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@dcc @Diceyocean @truthbait

I do not want to end capitalism but the incentives it plays into can eat away at society. same with socialism. we will never have either fully, and would hate it if we did. the best is a mixed economy with a strong democracy which we have to keep getting better at but also won't agree about cause it will affect everyone differently.

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@wjmaggos @Diceyocean @truthbait We have a mixed economy and it sucks... Did you not read my post?
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@dcc @wjmaggos @truthbait capitalism is great if you don't have to work in low wage job
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@anemone @dcc @wjmaggos @truthbait yeah that was what I meant to write but thought it was to edgy
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@Diceyocean @dcc @wjmaggos @truthbait aren't you literally unemployed on social welfare?
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@lucy @dcc @wjmaggos @truthbait Never heard about that l new to me. I am a engineer
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@Diceyocean @dcc @wjmaggos @truthbait ohh i might have mixed that up then
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@lucy @dcc @wjmaggos @truthbait yeah 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@lucy @dcc @truthbait @wjmaggos I am a schizophrenic do you think I am capable of anything. I get disability
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@Diceyocean @dcc @wjmaggos @lucy @truthbait a bunch of other schizophrenic people on here have jobs I think. Not saying you’d be able to, just that some definitely can seemingly
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@arcana @dcc @wjmaggos @lucy @truthbait yes probably some can. At least if they don’t take medication and don’t have manic episodes like me. You can be cured from schizophrenia you know. Even if doctors say otherwise
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@Diceyocean @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @truthbait > if they don’t take medication and don’t have manic episodes like me
they do and they have jobs
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@lucy @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @truthbait depends on your culture. In Norway they give full benefits for major depression or anxiety. In Spain they give it only when unable to move laying in bed. My aunt’s American husband got it because of PTSD by American military. I definitely think he could work but should he?
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@arcana @dcc @wjmaggos @lucy @truthbait something that changes connections in Brain. Brain isn’t hard it changes
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@Diceyocean @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @truthbait > In Norway they give full benefits for major depression or anxiety
i don't think they should. I'm chonically hanging in there but I'd rather kill myself then go begging for government money. if you can work you should, simply to not create a massive chunk of the population depend on the government's benevolence.
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@lucy @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @truthbait well it depends on your culture. Every person has a parent on benefits in Norway. 1/3 of population receive benefits and there isn’t much shame about it. The doctors evaluate you and give it
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@Diceyocean @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @truthbait > depends on your culture
a terrible culture is no excuse for terrible behaviour
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@lucy @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @truthbait what is terrible. I am schizophrenic and don’t care what you think about me or my life. I will never see you or meet you. You won’t give me anything or talk to me in life. You seem a little frustrated in your focus on something you shouldn’t care about. Ideally you shouldn’t be a communist and think about greater good of society
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@Diceyocean @dcc @wjmaggos @lucy @truthbait isn’t this only viable because of huge oil reserves?
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@arcana @dcc @wjmaggos @lucy @truthbait we are spoiled. But schizophrenic people receive benefits in all western countries. You need to stop bitching about me. I have been psychotic at least 1/3 of my life just have a good period now at 41
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@lucy @Diceyocean @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @truthbait that sucks :/ my friend is also disabled and is treated like garbage by the system

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@teratology @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @lucy @truthbait I have probably lost about 20 years I have no recollection of in psychosis. Since my father died I got a little better
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@Diceyocean @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @truthbait > what is terrible
giving up on your autonomy to live a cozy life
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@lucy @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @truthbait my life has been mostly suffering. Last 8 years have been good. Rest of life is a big void. Like a prison sentence
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@Diceyocean @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @truthbait im not frustrated i just don't get how you consider this a decent way of life idk
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@Diceyocean @dcc @wjmaggos @lucy @truthbait I’m not bitching about you, I was just commenting on why the Norwegian model isn’t as viable everywhere
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@arcana @dcc @wjmaggos @lucy @truthbait I meant lucy. I can assure you my life is nothing good in the whole. Just last years has has been good.
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@teratology @Diceyocean @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @truthbait i don't say disabled people shouldn't get support. im saying it's incredibly selfish to demand support when you don't really need it.
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@Diceyocean @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @truthbait > I can assure you my life is nothing good in the whole.
yeah no shit why else would we all be on this network
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@lucy @Diceyocean @dcc @wjmaggos @truthbait tbf I’m on here to network with interesting people and stayed after my life drastically improved. It’s also a great place to ask for tech opinions
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@arcana @Diceyocean @dcc @wjmaggos @truthbait yeah many stay after their lives improve but everyone on here has mad a ton of bad experience with people irl
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@lucy @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @truthbait lost all relationships with family. A life of immense suffering in a void of insanity thinking I am the literal sun. Forcefully put into asylum multiple times. When I reach my 40s I feel good about my life but then some person on internet demands I immediately start working a job
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@Diceyocean @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @truthbait > some person on internet demands I immediately start working a job
im sorry that's not what i meant
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Capitalism isn't the problem. Human corruption is the problem. I've yet to see the system that isn't infected with it. That's because humans are infected with it. Therefore, let's go with the system where the fewest corrupt humans have influence over people's daily lives. That's called free market capitalism under a representative republic. @anemone @dcc @wjmaggos @Diceyocean

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@truthbait @anemone @dcc @Diceyocean

so you think wealth doesn't naturally concentrate, monopolies aren't inevitable and the ability to buy influence in the media won't bias who becomes our representatives? I do. add to this representatives getting paid off indirectly or afterwards.

and when this happens, a fully free market system that already leaves a lot of "losers" to suffer and die, leaves out more. and they organize to change the system. the cost to control them makes things worse etc.

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@wjmaggos @truthbait @anemone @dcc @Diceyocean

Competition displaces monopolies. Regulations entrench them.
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@truthbait @anemone @dcc @wjmaggos @Diceyocean That's been tried.

It's reduced itself to maybe the largest circus by this point. 🤡
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@lucy @amerika @dcc @arcana @wjmaggos @truthbait maybe just they having a homogeneous society. They have the best education system
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@anemone @dcc @wjmaggos @truthbait @Diceyocean

Jobs are jails because of the regulatory and welfare state.
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@anemone @dcc @wjmaggos @truthbait @Diceyocean

This could be beneficial. That way, control passes to the young.
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@dcc @Diceyocean @truthbait

your post was not very clear but I think I responded to it. we are going to disagree on what we want in that mix and struggle to get it against those with more money when capitalism gives those more power in the democracy.

we must keep increasing the critical thinking of the public, the information flow and the responsiveness of the electoral system. shit does get better. the alternative is weak govt and assholes dominate, or you get a dictator.

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@wjmaggos @dcc @Diceyocean @truthbait

the bell curve regulates critical thinking, not "education"
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@amerika @wjmaggos @dcc @truthbait you are born with ability to be wise. You can be completely unaware of current events or even how things function and be extremely sharp
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@anemone @dcc @wjmaggos @truthbait @Diceyocean

To whoever generates enough capital, but they are no longer competing against people who earned capital a generation before.
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@amerika @anemone @dcc @truthbait @wjmaggos in 70s Norway they mass imported people from pakistan for the future of the country with aging population and to import younger people for pension system. The first generation of them was highly disciplined and very respectable people the following generations mostly don’t want to work started forming gangs
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Tell me you're a commie without telling me you're a commie. @wjmaggos @anemone @dcc @Diceyocean

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