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Lucy [hiatus era] 𒌋𒁯

can't even buy enough food for mia and me i need a job
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@lucy you could always resort to cannibalism.
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@gray @lucy Haitian cuisine niggayum
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@lucy did you spend it all on hormones
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@meowski no? hormones are cheap
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@Nudhul @gray wrong. if anything it'd be "to cook for mia and myself"
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@lucy @gray @Nudhul grammatically it’s “Mia and I”
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@arcana @gray @Nudhul i don't remember that being used before so I'm just not going to care
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@lucy @gray @Nudhul all good, I was just explaining that person’s post
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@Nudhul @gray @lucy not everybody has English as a first language
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@arcana @gray @Nudhul i can't find anything about "mia and I" being correct at all, what rule causes "myself" to shift to "I" here? or is this maybe something local to the UK?
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@Nudhul @gray @arcana how many languages do you speak?
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@lucy @gray @Nudhul “I” is a subject pronoun, “me” is an object pronoun
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@Nudhul @gray @arcana you started sperging out about it
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@lucy @gray @arcana i said schools are shitty and somehow that offended you
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@Nudhul @gray @arcana im not offended im mildly annoyed at you and interest at what arcana has to say
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@arcana @gray but why the shift from "to cook food for me/myself" to "to cook food for Mia and I"?
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Lucy [hiatus era] 𒌋𒁯

@arcana @gray im confused because there is no such shift in german
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@lucy @gray @arcana when talking online you don't need to write like it was a lecture at a university. It doesn't matter to anyone if there are some errors
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@Diceyocean @gray @arcana of course it doesn't matter, I'm just curious on what rule causes this behavior and if it's local to the UK or actually reflect english as a global language
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@lucy @gray well for the first you’d say “myself” technically over “can’t cook food for me”. When you bring in somebody else though you switch to the “and I”

https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/putting-myself-where-me-or-i-usually-goes

That’s some background for the rule. Obviously none of this matters, especially in online random chat, but the rules can be interesting to read and learn I think
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@lucy @Diceyocean @gray it does reflect it globally
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@lucy @gray @arcana didn't read the thread just expected Arcana had corrected your grammar
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@lucy @Diceyocean @gray though many dialects differ of course
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@arcana @lucy @gray “myself” is correct here (reflexive object pronoun)

you wouldn’t say “I can’t cook for I”

and no, you don’t switch to I just because you bring in another person. grammar doesn’t care about the number. what matters is, are you doing an action (use “I”) or is that action done to you (use “me” or “myself”)? then, is someone else doing it to you (use “me”) or are you doing it to yourself (use “myself”)?

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@mia @lucy @gray oh yes, if you’re referring to just yourself

I think for myself, a lot of it goes of feeling, what feels right. I suppose it just comes naturally after a while generally
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@arcana @lucy @gray
so:

[i] can’t even buy enough food for mia and myself

or:

[mia and i] can’t even buy enough food for ourselves

using “I” in place of “myself” is incorrect in this case

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@mia @arcana @gray cc @georgia what's your opinion, you're into linguistics
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@lucy @mia @arcana @gray when I say I'm into linguistics I mean philology. I think Mia's right that being said. I didnt read the whole thread though.
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@lucy @gray @arcana @Nudhul no these people are wrong. mia and me is correct because it's the object of a preposition
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@une @gray @arcana @lucy @Nudhul I suck at grammar I just do what sounds right and Mia and me doesn't sound wrong so I think you're right oh well
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@lucy @Nudhul @arcana @gray oh ok i guess it's reflexive according to the thread? reflexive verbs are so weird in English cuz they almost don't exist except for the little bits of leftover grammar that suggest they do
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@une @Nudhul @arcana @gray @lucy I was taught in school by every English teacher that *me* is always incorrect when grouped.
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@georgia @gray @arcana @lucy @Nudhul i am okay at grammar, this would definitely be a trick question on a grade school grammar test though
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@J @Nudhul @arcana @gray @lucy that sounds insane. but i haven't been in an english class in 20 years
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@J @Nudhul @arcana @gray @lucy i don't actually know how old that would make me if it were true
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@une Presumably you're at least pushing 40.
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@J luckily i'm a lot younger than that
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@une That's good. You don't come off as that old.

But I'm a bit curious now thinkbird
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@J and yeah i think i'd have to be a lot more bitter about everything to be 40
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@une Oh, I turn 26 in 2 weeks.

Expat?
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@J @une then you'll be in a nursing home?
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@Cyrillic @une I plan to live on the outside until 30 at least. Maybe even a bit into 31.
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@J as in am I an expat? no. i was just exaggerating about how long it's been since i've taken english. but it's been since like 7th grade that i've had someone get on my case about grammar since I usually don't make many mistakes in formal writing
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@une Ah, I took it literally 🧩
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Don't -- it'll impact your benefits!
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@cowanon what benefits?
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Don't you get disabilitybux?
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@cowanon im not disabled?
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Oh. That sucks.
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@cowanon no im really glad im not disabled
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But you could be getting like $1,200/mo for being autistic or something.
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@lucy @gray @arcana @Nudhul you are right, it's mia and me or myself, not i. if you want to know the right grammar just take out "other person and" and see how it sounds. cook for i, cook for me, cook for myself
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