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@arcana Surprised you're anti-hindu
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arcana@layer02.net
arcana@layer02.net
@scathach I don't particularly know why it put me anti, I was most neutral.
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@scathach Martin Luther and his consequences have been a disaster for the human race
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@scathach my Judaism score would be way higher if it didn't gave questions implying an equivalency between Judaism and Zionazism
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@nyx@social.xenofem.me @scathach@stereophonic.space this test isn't written that well
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@sathariel @scathach Dumb shit, I should have got 100% anti on the first 5 and only didn't because several questions pitted Abrahamic monkey nonsense against each other (who gives a shit about some schism or heresy, into the trash it all goes) and because I didn't say that the adherents of these evil religions are evil themselves.
The Dharmic and Pagan sliders are accurate (I don't believe Samsara is le bad,) the Satanist one is a bullshit false dichotomy (the Christian Satan is not the antagonist of the true divine,) and the symbols and terms for anti-Judaism (the test was careful to differentiate between religion and race when it came to Judaism but used the racial misnomer "anti-Semitic", also being opposed to the Yahwic egregore does not make you a Nazi) and anti-Islam (opposing Islam means you are le Christian, also being opposed to something means you are afraid of it chuddy) piss me off.
Overall: Dumb test BUT it's based for giving me 100% Pagan. Thank you for reading my blog post.
The Dharmic and Pagan sliders are accurate (I don't believe Samsara is le bad,) the Satanist one is a bullshit false dichotomy (the Christian Satan is not the antagonist of the true divine,) and the symbols and terms for anti-Judaism (the test was careful to differentiate between religion and race when it came to Judaism but used the racial misnomer "anti-Semitic", also being opposed to the Yahwic egregore does not make you a Nazi) and anti-Islam (opposing Islam means you are le Christian, also being opposed to something means you are afraid of it chuddy) piss me off.
Overall: Dumb test BUT it's based for giving me 100% Pagan. Thank you for reading my blog post.
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@nyx@social.xenofem.me @scathach@stereophonic.space im pretty sure the only way you can get antisemitic is if you think jews deserve to die for being jewish meanwhile im extremely anti-catholic apparently for just thinking their religion is wrong
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@sathariel @scathach LOL WAIT A MINUTE, THE PRO PAGAN SYMBOL IS MOLOCH, WOW
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@scathach certified bigot
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tgirl_brandom
Roberta_Brandom@social.xenofem.me
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@sathariel @scathach The issues were are deeper than that thoughbeit
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sparrows (doll arc) 
dangerdyke@translunar.academy
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@rowb1t@social.xenofem.me @salt@social.xenofem.me @nyx@social.xenofem.me @scathach@stereophonic.space i like that the anti-hindu graphic is just pakistan
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r o w . ᚛ᚏᚒᚐᚇᚐᚅ᚜ 
rowb1t@social.xenofem.me
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Erato the Malcontented
Erato_Heti@social.xenofem.me
@scathach why is it asking me all this shit? palamite theology?? i dont have time for this bullshit. I just closed the tab.
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Hidden☸️☯️
hidden@new.asbestos.cafe
@druid @sathariel @scathach YEAH CUZ EVERY CHRISTIAN QUESTION IS JUST PITTING THE THREE CHRISTIANITIES AGAINST EACH OTHER. It's like bruhh... you can argue amongst yourselves...
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Katze Chadberto Faloduro Kattepus 
nerthos@shitposter.world
@hidden @sathariel @druid @scathach I do unironically despise them, memes aside. Everything about their false broken faith is repulsive and fires up my evil detector.
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@hidden @sathariel @nerthos @druid @scathach I thought the context was 88 but this is even more based
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Katze Chadberto Faloduro Kattepus
nerthos@shitposter.world
@druid @hidden @sathariel @scathach Stabilizing force in the west, can't remove it right now or you'll just get the vacuum filled by something much worse like islam. Also deeply tied to culture.
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Katze Chadberto Faloduro Kattepus
nerthos@shitposter.world
@druid @hidden @sathariel @scathach Also, most of the christianity questions were not about christianity itself but just "which variant of it you like more"
Hence my results being mostly "you dislike protestantism more than the other two" than any true indication of adherence to it.
Hence my results being mostly "you dislike protestantism more than the other two" than any true indication of adherence to it.
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@hidden @maija @sathariel @nerthos @scathach It is very sad, the way they make women fold up their minds and souls so small. Covered heads and downcast eyes. Nothing blossoms. Brothers in Islam, made slightly wrong. Nothing more.
Just the latest manifestation of Yahweh’s reduction of Asherah to an object in his hand.
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@scathach I respect all Americans who want to put Prots on pikes
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arcana@layer02.net
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@arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nyx@social.xenofem.me @scathach@stereophonic.space I think it classified me as pagan mainly because I think animals are cool and based and am pro-polytheism
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@arcana@fedi.layer02.net @nyx@social.xenofem.me @scathach@stereophonic.space idk if there are any shrimps cults but I know that eels are considered divine in a few cultures which is incredibly based
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Maija (Happy Sperg Housewife Arc) 🇱🇻 
maija
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Dr. Ngandu 🇨🇳 | KILL ALL VIDEO GAMES 
Forestofenchantment@clubcyberia.co
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Dr. Ngandu 🇨🇳 | KILL ALL VIDEO GAMES
Forestofenchantment@clubcyberia.co
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Dr. Ngandu 🇨🇳 | KILL ALL VIDEO GAMES
Forestofenchantment@clubcyberia.co
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Dr. Ngandu 🇨🇳 | KILL ALL VIDEO GAMES
Forestofenchantment@clubcyberia.co
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Maija (Happy Sperg Housewife Arc) 🇱🇻
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@asmodai @Sui @WeWuzSui @Suis_Runaway_Benis @ProbablyAnotherSuiAlt @scathach
I reconsidered my answers for some sections.
I reconsidered my answers for some sections.
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@nerthos @wowaname @hidden @sathariel @scathach Education, illumination, revelation - and absolutely no nostalgic apologia.
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Dr. Ngandu 🇨🇳 | KILL ALL VIDEO GAMES
Forestofenchantment@clubcyberia.co
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@hidden @wowaname @sathariel @nerthos @druid @scathach That what will replace christianity is the respective ethnoreligions of said Europeans.
If one is Slavic they fall under the high divine command of Perun. If Baltic then they fall under the command of Perkūnas. If Anglo than it is Odin. If German than also Odin. if French it is still Odin. If Greek than Deus.
If one is Slavic they fall under the high divine command of Perun. If Baltic then they fall under the command of Perkūnas. If Anglo than it is Odin. If German than also Odin. if French it is still Odin. If Greek than Deus.
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@wowaname @sathariel @nerthos @druid @scathach This has never been the spiritual directive of a society, and never will be, and probably never should be. Although personal spiritual experience is deeply important, the divine should penetrate every aspect of life, which necessitates communal ritual. And some people will naturally end up as spiritual leaders through sheer virtue. Personal connection is important ofc but our individuality is an ephemeral fact of circumstance which the divine tends to dissipate into dust
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@wowaname @sathariel @nerthos @druid @scathach Well it isn't but we're talking about the future of society. Society may not be responsible for a spiritual dilemma, but I am responsible, and anyone else with wisdom is, and we are a part of society
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@nerthos @wowaname @hidden @sathariel @scathach You don't need manpower to spread ideas. Christianisation only required manpower because it was a matter of conquest. Nobody WANTED to worship their devil.
>Four generations
I'd call that a generously quick estimate. Even if it were twenty generations, that's a fraction of the time Christianisation took.
>Four generations
I'd call that a generously quick estimate. Even if it were twenty generations, that's a fraction of the time Christianisation took.
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@hidden @wowaname @sathariel @nerthos @scathach My unironic vote is neopaganism. The Celtic revival has been spectacularly healthy for those it has affected. Who cares if it's a LARP? Stories and characters are the best way of understanding the world and the human condition. People are only averse to it because they are used to the insane transcendental literalism of Abrahamism. Nobody in ancient Scandinavia "believed" (in the sense that atheists scorn and covet) that the world was licked from a block of ice by a cow, it's a koan.
Paganism is both ancestrally and locally focused (and much mistaken purity spiralling is engaged in by those who consider the two inseparable; migrants have always taken their gods with them, that's why Britain has Celtic and Germanic gods) and this is infinitely healthier and more relevant than trying to universalise, especially with religions from distant places and times. When I was very young I thought the story of the Christian nativity took place in its own little fictional world, like a cartoon. The alien outfits, names, terms and objects seemed like something made up.
What happens when two people from different pagan cultures marry? They keep their gods and draw syncretic lines. I worship the smith, you worship the mother. Oh, those are your names for them? That's interesting! Yeah, we have three sisters in charge of fate too. How did YOUR trickster kill the King's heir?
Paganism is both ancestrally and locally focused (and much mistaken purity spiralling is engaged in by those who consider the two inseparable; migrants have always taken their gods with them, that's why Britain has Celtic and Germanic gods) and this is infinitely healthier and more relevant than trying to universalise, especially with religions from distant places and times. When I was very young I thought the story of the Christian nativity took place in its own little fictional world, like a cartoon. The alien outfits, names, terms and objects seemed like something made up.
What happens when two people from different pagan cultures marry? They keep their gods and draw syncretic lines. I worship the smith, you worship the mother. Oh, those are your names for them? That's interesting! Yeah, we have three sisters in charge of fate too. How did YOUR trickster kill the King's heir?
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Hidden☸️☯️
hidden@new.asbestos.cafe
@druid @wowaname @sathariel @nerthos @scathach Thinking about it more, an unholy mishmash of astrology and angels and wiccan charms on the manifest level and subverted-psychology, quantum physics, and agnostic incarnate spiritualism on the higher level is slowly making its way into the mainstream as a sort of folk religion in the wake of the now dying science-and-progress worship that pretty much everyone is keenly aware is incomprehensible nonsense
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@hidden @wowaname @sathariel @nerthos @scathach I agree and I'm glad to see it, neopaganism is in vogue, I've seen a lot more western Dharmists lately, and Gnosticism is now so mainstream that even people who don't give a fuck understand jokes like "when Sophia says it's time for a Yaldabath." I can literally say "the 'urge" to people and they know I mean the Demiurge. Glorious fucking chaos.
My only concern is the presence of mystique cultivating, cult grooming attention whores - usually they cultivate an exoteric presence on twitter and an esoteric presence on discord or similar. Every one of them has a nonsense postmodern manifesto full of ontological and philosophical word salad, and most of them focus on shit like xenofeminism, annihilationism or other dumb meme positions. I try very hard not to say "they should be rounded up and shot," but they should be rounded up and shot.
My only concern is the presence of mystique cultivating, cult grooming attention whores - usually they cultivate an exoteric presence on twitter and an esoteric presence on discord or similar. Every one of them has a nonsense postmodern manifesto full of ontological and philosophical word salad, and most of them focus on shit like xenofeminism, annihilationism or other dumb meme positions. I try very hard not to say "they should be rounded up and shot," but they should be rounded up and shot.
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@wowaname @hidden @sathariel @nerthos @scathach You're thinking about it the wrong way around: society INFORMS the spiritual dilemma. This is why I focus so much on pagan pantheons, because they offer a pluralistic model of society. Is Odin or Loki the "good guy?"
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Hidden☸️☯️
hidden@new.asbestos.cafe
@druid @wowaname @sathariel @nerthos @scathach 100% true, neo-Paganism isn't a larp at all. In the Dao De Jing 2500 years ago Lao Tzu refers to the Gods as "images." Hinduism and Vedicism plays a lot with the Gods as aspects and masks and visions and moods and natural forces, and while most European paganism has been lost I'm agree it would be the same with them. Petty-literalism is a Hebrew-Greek worldview. Pagans understood the Gods as manifestations, as the anthropomorphic personal element of the anima (Greek not Jung) within things (Kami, Ancestors, local gods) and within patterns or forces. Agni is as real as fire is real, Brahma as real as the me I see in you is, Vishnu as real as falling in love, and Shiva as real as the soil from which a flower blooms, no more and no less.
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@scathach Unfortunately I don't know shit about any of this so I'm just spamming 'unsure'
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@Merc @scathach Why do you think you stop acting if you recognise you are the observer instead of the actor? You keep acting just as much. Really it becomes more meaningful when you realise the connection between you and all other things
Also, emptiness isn't "nothing." It's potentiality. The idea is that there was once emptiness, and then there was all of this that's around us, the universe which sprung from emptiness. The emptiness is our core from which everything else springs, a great well of potential which we can do what we want with. That is Buddhism.
Also, emptiness isn't "nothing." It's potentiality. The idea is that there was once emptiness, and then there was all of this that's around us, the universe which sprung from emptiness. The emptiness is our core from which everything else springs, a great well of potential which we can do what we want with. That is Buddhism.
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@hidden @scathach If you are one with the universe, necessarily you are acting with all the information you could be, which removes the individuality of your own mental model, which I think is bad.
In terms of garbage math religion, I can't disagree with that definition of emptiness, but not sure I want to believe in it in general. I don't yet know if all humans come from the same place.
In terms of garbage math religion, I can't disagree with that definition of emptiness, but not sure I want to believe in it in general. I don't yet know if all humans come from the same place.
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@hidden @scathach I don't understand why that would necessarily be the case? I'd think if one were to be truly in tune with the world, it would force them to change in ways they may not like, and force them to become good people in ways that aren't inherently meaningful to them.
I guess this assumes that there exist people who are just evil - or rather, disconnected from the world - to such a degree that becoming connected to it would give them pain. I don't know that this is necessarily wrong.
I guess this assumes that there exist people who are just evil - or rather, disconnected from the world - to such a degree that becoming connected to it would give them pain. I don't know that this is necessarily wrong.
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@Merc @scathach There's no nuking at all. It's just gaining self control basically. Think of how when you drink alcohol you lose your inhibitions. Someone who has a lot of experience with these things, like me, can turn my inhibitions on and off at will, as if it were a switch on the wall, merely by having experience with that part of my mind. Same with my emotions and desires. It makes it easy to do work too, I can much more easily decide to focus on something, or tune something out, or forget about one of my worries.
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johnny peligro
mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@snacks @scathach i was raised in a catholic family line but got heccin euphoric 🎩 when i was 14 and left the church. Still nowadays I have a fairly balanced view of catholicism.
Later I got drawn to LaVey and stuff.
Also Judaism is pretty based tbh because orthodox judaism is the only abrahamic religion without schisms and with an unsevered connection to ancient magic
Later I got drawn to LaVey and stuff.
Also Judaism is pretty based tbh because orthodox judaism is the only abrahamic religion without schisms and with an unsevered connection to ancient magic
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Hidden☸️☯️
hidden@new.asbestos.cafe
@druid @wowaname @sathariel @nerthos @scathach Unfathomably based. I hope to be a force for good and capture the vulnerable and keep them safe from the cult weirdoes inshallah
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@hidden @wowaname @sathariel @nerthos @scathach That is very obviously the case, you show a clear preference for taking the knowledge and perspective that you have gained from your substantial studies and bringing them back to the everyday world where they can be practically applied. You obviously value what is real and observable, what is obvious and elementary. I think you will make a very positive contribution towards helping many curious agnostics to discover that the tools of the spirit were always within them - they've just been taught to ignore them.
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@hakui @wowaname @hidden @sathariel @nerthos @scathach While this is certainly true, I'd also argue that we are functionally talking about people with impaired cognition. I'm not saying "Abrahamists are stupid," I'm saying that Abrahamism breaks a person's cognitive tools on purpose. The fundamental idea is to pass simulacra off as the real thing: they instinctively know things about the world that we all know in our hearts, but are given convincing platitudes as explanations for them, and kept from transgression through a combination of the glamour of conformity and the fear of reprisal. (Islam is the worst for this, the pleasure of submission is very real.)
From a magical perspective, the clearest illustration of this is Kabbalah. Because Judaism is an intellectual religion, serious Jews do not get very far before realising that they are trapped by an (imagined) ancestral and blood pact with an evil impostor. (Hence why the initiatory piece of Jewish esotericism is the Transparent Illusion, a rumination on the impossibility of convincing yourself that Merkabah predates the primordial waters.) This is why "the Talmud is about deceiving Yahweh, not following him." Because Jews have to be able to navigate the magical world, they need an authorised simulacra: the Sephiroth.
Islam does the same thing, Allah is a kind of parasitic lens through which viewing Brahman is allowed.
From a magical perspective, the clearest illustration of this is Kabbalah. Because Judaism is an intellectual religion, serious Jews do not get very far before realising that they are trapped by an (imagined) ancestral and blood pact with an evil impostor. (Hence why the initiatory piece of Jewish esotericism is the Transparent Illusion, a rumination on the impossibility of convincing yourself that Merkabah predates the primordial waters.) This is why "the Talmud is about deceiving Yahweh, not following him." Because Jews have to be able to navigate the magical world, they need an authorised simulacra: the Sephiroth.
Islam does the same thing, Allah is a kind of parasitic lens through which viewing Brahman is allowed.
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@wowaname @hidden @sathariel @nerthos @scathach Personally I'd call secularism (and atheism) a reaction to Christianity, I don't think it's impossible but I do think it's stripping vital context from the human experience. All leaders in the West want now is stability and economic growth, so they foster the myth that religions are like strange personality quirks and that anyone coming to dispute over them is taking them too seriously somehow (they even openly state that fundamentalism is the problem.) It's kind of like how having a religion is "awwww you're so sweet" but claiming to hear God is "hello human resources?"
I'm not gonna say I think we lost our way with the Enlightenment - I think it was dramatically necessary.
I'm not gonna say I think we lost our way with the Enlightenment - I think it was dramatically necessary.
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@nerthos @wowaname @hidden @sathariel @scathach The best way to get rid of something altogether is to do it with soft power and constant sweet denials that you're even doing it, which is why white genocide is working but the holocaust failed 😏
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@nerthos @hidden @sathariel @scathach @wowaname Okay, shitposting aside, I do actually believe that the path to dechristianisation lies in the carrot rather than the stick. Look how much success the non-religious have had with decreasing Christianity simply by saying "restrictions are le bad, if you stop being Christian you can take dicks in your ass." They offer no meaningful alternative - just a big gaping hole, and as you say, you can't replace religion with "nothing." And yet they have, to some level, at least to the level where I can express my opinion that Christians worship the Zoroastrian devil without being murdered by them. (Thanks, Martin Luther!)
Religions don't die when they are finally defeated, especially not religions with a tradition of martyrdom. They die when they fizzle out.
Religions don't die when they are finally defeated, especially not religions with a tradition of martyrdom. They die when they fizzle out.
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@nerthos @wowaname @hidden @sathariel @scathach I can say that Jesus was the anti-christ without legal repercussions but I can't question the holy noombers LOL
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@nerthos @wowaname @hidden @sathariel @scathach I agree that the result is totally unsustainable and in fact already collapsing, as Hidden pointed out with the emergence of widespread and chaotic folk religion. I would also add that I think The Powers That Be have ABSOLUTELY fucked up by allowing the cultural victory they achieved in the 20th century to be undone by its own celebration. You win by looking reasonable and sane and letting your enemies look like the madmen, not by making constant exhibitionist display, endlessly taunting them, and trying to marginalise them. They turned everything highly visible into a gaudy drag show, and every mouthpiece into an overtly anti-white one, and now they have a huge mob of angry chuds. You reap what you sew!
Christianity won over the Roman Empire *because* it was persecuted. If Romans had continued to treat Christians like some small and irrelevant cult of idiots, to be mocked with the graffiti of children, Christianity probably would have fizzled out. But they fed people from THE martyr religion to lions. 🙄
IMO the only way to achieve purity by force is to stop the corruption before it even begins, hence why Ieyasu Tokugawa is so based. 🧎
(Also some petty clarification: I'm not afraid of the AI arms race, I'm a doomgawker who wants the AGI to destroy the status quo, not that it matters what I think because we'll develop it this year or next. Also, I'm pro dicks in asses, it's trad. The Jews invented homomisia.)
Christianity won over the Roman Empire *because* it was persecuted. If Romans had continued to treat Christians like some small and irrelevant cult of idiots, to be mocked with the graffiti of children, Christianity probably would have fizzled out. But they fed people from THE martyr religion to lions. 🙄
IMO the only way to achieve purity by force is to stop the corruption before it even begins, hence why Ieyasu Tokugawa is so based. 🧎
(Also some petty clarification: I'm not afraid of the AI arms race, I'm a doomgawker who wants the AGI to destroy the status quo, not that it matters what I think because we'll develop it this year or next. Also, I'm pro dicks in asses, it's trad. The Jews invented homomisia.)
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@druid @wowaname @hidden @nerthos @scathach I think atheism is the natural outcome of Christianity. Religion with few to none spirituality will eventually evolve into that. And more if we consider a religion that's usually calling heretic to anyone who tries to actually experience something. Similarly you can "talk to god" through praying but if you claim to hear God in a non figuratively form there's probably something wrong with you.
I can understand why people get tired of empty rites, of things that seems totally nonsense, of the obligation to believe in something that they can't feel, observe or experience in any way. But they don't liberate from it, they only react as you say, the control only becomes obfuscated. But come on, what do you expect from a god that first became nameless? Moving to abstraction isn't a problem for him.
I can understand why people get tired of empty rites, of things that seems totally nonsense, of the obligation to believe in something that they can't feel, observe or experience in any way. But they don't liberate from it, they only react as you say, the control only becomes obfuscated. But come on, what do you expect from a god that first became nameless? Moving to abstraction isn't a problem for him.
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@sathariel @wowaname @hidden @nerthos @scathach This is true, and it's why Catholicism has proved so resilient: as Varg Vikernes says, it's 90% Paganism.
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@sysrq That's a WEIRD fucking combo lol
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arcana@layer02.net
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