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To my American comrades,

Things are bad right now, but you can take some comfort in studying good Marxist theory to understand how and why the nation is in this state. Your local library likely has Marxist literature. Reading it is an act of defiance against fascism. Knowledge is power.

Mao and Lenin can also give insight into how late stage capitalism comes to a close.
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@Nimbius666

> Your local library

Or must marxists.org has everything. Basically all of it.

> studying good Marxist theory to understand how and why the nation is in this state.

> Reading it is an act of defiance against fascism.

I don't think that anything I read stopped fascism. It's essentially a manual of failure written by the people that either lost to fascists or, once they got power, were indistinguishable from fascists.

The Federalist papers are a better read.
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@p it's not an end to fascism, but defiance. These are different things.

>It's essentially a manual of failure written by the people that either lost to fascists or, once they got power, were indistinguishable from fascists.

This is common and remedial. Revisit English comprehension as its possible the literature is too academic. As a point of reference, the soviets were clear victors in world war II.
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@p @Nimbius666 I like the theory that defines Communism as the failed attempt to establish Judaism for all (and its rule by the Jewish priest class) via secular means.

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@irie @p this seems like nonsensical propaganda as the proletariat is the dictatorship and the USSR expressly discouraged religion.
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@Nimbius666

> it's not an end to fascism, but defiance. These are different things.

Seems like it would be better to get rid of the thing than to run around defying it.

> This is common and remedial. Revisit English comprehension as its possible the literature is too academic.

Unfortunately, "If you don't agree with it, you must not understand it, probably because you're not smart enough." is the common retort and people fall for it when they are young. I fell for it when I was young.

It's arrogant, it's a symptom of exactly the sort of person that buys this philosophy: these people are too stupid to act in their own interests, but you'll guide them, right? Trotsky says that the peasants are just too stupid to agree with him, so they have to be subject to the proletariat, the proletariat is too stupid so they need guidance from the vanguard of the proletariat, and the vanguard of the proletariat has to listen to the Fourth International, which had Trotsky as a leader (purely by coincidence, I'm certain).

> As a point of reference, the soviets were clear victors in world war II.

Do you intend to convey that Stalin is representative of your philosophy?
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@irie @Nimbius666 Hungry Santa was actually not a very big fan of the Jewish people: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/ . In modern parlance, he was "problematic" (in this case the word means "racist as hell").
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@p

>It's arrogant
Agreed, ajd i apologise, but its the last resort when youre faced with someone who hasn't progressed with the material.

>you'll guide them, right?  
Marxist Leninist theory exists for this. I'm no Mao; im not qualified to lead anyone, I'm just intent on ensuring everyone can learn.

>Trotsky says that the peasants are just too stupid to agree with him

Trotsky stated peasants lack class conscience and can seek emancipation through alliance with the proletariat in revolution. Peasants absolutely have the intelligence to understand their circumstance, their life and their oppression.

> the proletariat is too stupid so they need guidance from the vanguard of the proletariat

The role of the vanguard, the party, is to align the proletariat with goals and objectives to achieve Marxist communism. The proletariat sees their class role and understand the need to make revolution. These are levels of leadership, not crutches upon which failure rests.

>and the vanguard of the proletariat has to listen to the Fourth International

The Fourth International (FI) was a political international established in France in 1938 by Leon Trotsky and his supporters, having been expelled from the Soviet Union and the Communist International. I'm not certain what this is relevant to?
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@Nimbius666 @p
>I'm no Mao; im not qualified to lead anyone
Are you saying mao was qualified to lead?

The rest of your post reads in exactly the same slimy, duplicitous way authoritarian commies always speak in and is not worth responding to, though I'm sure p will end up doing so anyway

Just, gross. I'm with you against fascism, and I think infighting when we have the same shared enemy is stupid, but I encourage you to look within and realize your slimy self hurts the cause more than anything
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> but its the last resort when youre faced with someone who hasn't progressed with the material.

Well, it was pretty quick. I have in fact progressed with the material, and eventually past it.

> I'm just intent on ensuring everyone can learn.

Everyone can learn. In fact, if one cares to read, we're at an unprecedented time.

> Trotsky stated peasants lack class conscience and can seek emancipation through alliance with the proletariat in revolution.

Yes, so I read. He was of the opinion that they inevitably fall in with the bourgeois interests. That is, they come to the wrong conclusion and thus cannot be allowed to make decisions. This is arrogant enough to be called foolish: Trotsky was an idiot.

> The role of the vanguard, the party, is to align the proletariat with goals and objectives to achieve Marxist communism.

A set of elites to make the decisions to achieve the objective, without regard for whether the idea is even good.

> The proletariat sees their class role and understand the need to make revolution.

Per Trotsky, "This program is a scientific program. It is based on an objective analysis of the objective situation. It cannot be understood by the workers as a whole." This is to say that he has decided for them what is in their interest and that whether or not they agree with it--which, in his view, is impossible, because they cannot understand it--it has to be done.

> These are levels of leadership, not crutches upon which failure rests.

It was a strictly ideologically regimented structure; his criteria were whether people were aligned with his philosophy and whether they achieved his own objectives rather than whether they were free to make their own decisions.

> I'm not certain what this is relevant to?

That was the hierarchy: Trotsky over the party, the party over the vanguard, and the vanguard over the worker/peasant alliance. ( https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1931/tpr/pr10.htm )
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@warmbeverageenjoyer @Nimbius666

> Are you saying mao was qualified to lead?

My previous ex (the one before the recent ex) had to live with Mao's decisions. (She was born due to China's purity spiral, in fact. No one wanted to stick out if they also wanted to survive, so her parents did what everyone else was doing and had her.)

> is not worth responding to, though I'm sure p will end up doing so anyway

...*cough* OKAY YEAH BUT
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@dcc @Nimbius666 @irie Hungry Santa suffered from the same affliction as many other Germans: he couldn't just leave people alone.
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@p @Nimbius666 @irie I think the true issuse today is question of what do you do to people who won't leave you alone? (you kill then obviously)
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@Nimbius666 @p @irie No not really, you believe there is a moral high ground. Its not, it just has to happen.
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@Nimbius666 @dcc @irie "It could be if it weren't Western bourgeois decadence, comrade."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_China

> Under the Xi Jinping administration, LGBTQ venues and events have been forced to shut and LGBTQ rights activists have become subject to greater scrutiny by the country's system of mass surveillance.

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@irie @p @Nimbius666
"Antisemites do be mad, we'll do zionism now"
- "Noooo, you can't do that alexjones "
- "Uhm, okay, we'll build an advanced secular society in russia that tolerates us"
- "Noooooo, that is worse alex_jones_meltdown "
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@dagda @irie @Nimbius666 Alex Jones, whose wife is Jewish and who has been a long-time vocal supporter of Israel, is probably not the person to use for this. (I don't know if snacks has these or not, but FSE has a fine selection of images of idiamins and arafats and a few crowleys; should you wish to represent the other side, we've got at least two of dayan, some sharonsmug2s, etc.; the emijoms of Charlie Chaplin can double as Hitler if you are careful about presentation. :chaplinsmug:)

While I'm here, because the Nazis' and the Commies' hyperfocus on each other has prompted them to make an informal agreement under the table to omit these inconvenient bits, and because the only sensible thing to do with a sacred cow is grind it into DELICIOUS AMERICAN CHEESEBURGER, the USSR is probably not the best example of "Zionism" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin_and_antisemitism ). Stalin was also buddies with Hitler until Operation Barbarossa, two years into the war, which Germany and the USSR began as allies; he appears to be responsible for some of the massacres of Polish Jews during the war as well.
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@p @dcc @Nimbius666 @irie i like how every time i see an article on chyna i see it accompanied by 'the country's mass surveillance system'

man that's just everywhere now, not just chyna sad_dog
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@nach @Nimbius666 @dcc @irie

> i like how every time i see an article on chyna i see it accompanied by 'the country's mass surveillance system'

If we keep pointing out that theirs is worse, then people yell less about ours.
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@p @Nimbius666 @irie I wasn't really going anywhere with Jones tbh, it was just one of the emotes on this server I had at hand. I'm well aware socialist antisemitism exists, especially in early utopian socialism and anarchism. Also with Stalin you basically have both, extreme philosemitism and anti-semitism in his lifetime (now that's some anti-centrism lol).
As for Alex Jones he isn't even as insane as people think, he has personally admitted that he puts extra pathos and exaggeration into his reporting. Ever since his whole "rich elites have huge organized pedophilia cabals" thing turned out 100% accurate I'm against leftist smugness over his style
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@dagda @Nimbius666 @irie

> I'm well aware

In that case, hopefully it wasn't too boring. I try to never miss an opportunity to grind some sliders out of a sacred cow.

> Ever since his whole "rich elites have huge organized pedophilia cabals" thing turned out 100% accurate I'm against leftist smugness over his style

Did you see that video of that Nyberg guy that was trying to convince black women at a party to fly with him to a Caribbean island to so he could impregnate them so that he could have a doctor perform an abortion so that he could harvest the stem cells? I mean, as far as I'm concerned, all conspiracy theory bets are off.
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@p @nach @dcc @Nimbius666 @irie Pete you make a very salient point about mass surveillance in all Western Nations.
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@p @Nimbius666 @irie I don't follow his reporting, I mainly just see clips of him as memes.
It's not an unreasonable assumption, Peter Thiel for example literally injects young blood to age slower (that's some dystopian vampire stuff fr)
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@dagda @Nimbius666 @irie

> I don't follow his reporting, I mainly just see clips of him as memes.

I didn't pay much attention to him aside from meme songs until he got banned everywhere. I don't know how old you are, but if you remember when Jon Stewart was doing the Daily Show way back in The Day, like when he was covering the 2000 election fiasco, it's like that. Broad strokes of the news (everything else is a lie anyway, as Jefferson noted) and a lot of jokes, sometimes dark humor. We laugh lest we weep and the news is always depressing. It's also entertaining when he improvises because of the type of thing that happens during live broadcasts, someone isn't ready with the thing that needs to happen next or a caller runs long. Technically it's all improvised, but there's an outline; he's been doing radio a long time so he knows how to avoid dead air in an entertaining way when he's got to operate without a plan.

This was a very entertaining/fascinating article by David Foster Wallace about a local radio host: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/06/john-ziegler-as-david-foster-wallace-saw-him/240402/ . The reason I am bringing it up is because I have an excuse to (DFW is a good writer), and because of this bit: "What's amazing is that when you get new people who think that they can do a talk-radio program, you watch them for the first time. By three minutes into it, they have that look on their face like, 'Oh my God, I've got ten minutes left. What am I going to say?'" If you've listened to enough radio (like you live in Los Angeles and have to commute back and forth from the west side during rush hour), you can hear the things that go wrong and a good disembodied voice ("talking head" didn't sound appropriate for the radio) manages to actually be *more* fun when the parachute fails. Hard to explain, Alex Jones is good at his job; see attached.

> Peter Thiel for example literally injects young blood to age slower (that's some dystopian vampire stuff fr)

Ha, I remember the blood boys; I wonder if he still does that.
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@p @Nimbius666 @irie I do in fact do a radio show semi-regularly, in germany there's thing thing called "free radio frequencies", it started with pirate radios that were so pupular that the state was like "well if they won't stop we'll just give them some frequencies next to commercial radio to go wild with, easier then banning them against popular will".
It's a music show and not a news show, it's on for quite a while now. I'm somewhat introverted and sometimes even extremely socially awkward, but I can talk on radio to large audiences perfectly fine. I think what it really comes down to is the will to be entertaining as if you would want to be a listener yourself, and passion about what you have to say. When we talk about certain songs before we get the vinyls ready we all go to tangents about weird shit the artists were up to in their lifetime, because we can with a non-mainstream audience that is enthusiastic about it as we are. Also a lot goes wrong, Vinyls too damaged, equipment going wild, software issues, etc. If you know all that you get an idea of how crazy it is that commercial stations can go flawless in their execution for weeks. However while they outclass us in professionalism they do have less soul. Still, remarkable achievement.
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@dagda @Nimbius666 @irie

> I do in fact do a radio show semi-regularly,

AH, okay! Then you probably know what I mean (and probably a lot of

> "free radio frequencies", it started with pirate radios that were so pupular that the state was like "well if they won't stop we'll just give them some frequencies next to commercial radio to go wild with,

Oh, that's pretty cool. We used to have "public access" television stations that were sort of like that. The origin was a little more dull, the idea was first that cable stations, being monopolies, owed it to the market they monopolized, and also that there was some value in letting people build up the skills (professional and technical) needed to put a television broadcast together, since it's not exactly the type of thing you can do in your room. The internet more or less eliminated all of those concerns: you have (in theory) a medium that allows for equal access, global reach, and most of the gear has turned into software that runs on commodity hardware.

> I'm somewhat introverted and sometimes even extremely socially awkward, but I can talk on radio to large audiences perfectly fine.

I believe that. I'm socially terrible, someone asks how I'm doing and I freak out, but public speaking hasn't ever bothered me.

> tangents about weird shit the artists were up to in their lifetime,

Ha, really entertaining stuff. Artists are fuckin' weird, weird shit's great.

> Vinyls too damaged, equipment going wild, software issues, etc.

Ha, yeah, it's kind of amazing how much can go wrong with anything. That must be a lot of fun. I imagine no advertisements, right? Out of pocket on the gear or donations or is there some way of generating profit?
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@p @Nimbius666 @irie non-commercial strictly. While it's basically do what you want the legal framework is under the umbrella of public broadcasting. The small office is rent by public money and the equipment is mostly old stuff that has been left over by actual public broadcast stations, dodging the dumpster. It still works fine, as broadcasting equipment is standardized and we broadcast to analogue and digital radio, which has consistent technical interfaces. Our show is also available as a web stream from an old-ass website, but that is more or less hacked together by us and not common for all shows in the house.
The only legal restrictions are no profit and no explicit endorsements of political parties because of public money, which doesn't affect our music show. Other non-music shows in the house are ethnic minority radios, some show about local events and theatre stuff, mental health self help initiatives and education/ city history, that kind of things
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@dagda @Nimbius666 @irie That's really cool.

> Our show is also available as a web stream from an old-ass website,

I was gonna ask.

> The only legal restrictions are no profit and no explicit endorsements of political parties because of public money, which doesn't affect our music show.

Is there any weird encumbrance from the owners of the music, or can you mostly play whatever you can get onto the turntable?
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@p @Nimbius666 @irie

https://www.freies-radio-kassel.de/live-stream.html

The show is live-only for online broadcast aswell and our date is mostly "when people have time" roughly once a month, name of the show is Aoxomoxoa, the Rock caleidoscope. I can give you the date when it's set.

>Is there any weird encumbrance from the owners of the music, or can you mostly play whatever you can get onto the turntable?
We have 2 guys who are always there and me and others who are semi-regularly there. We bring our physical copies mostly and have a legal public broadcasting license for basically playing anything without getting into trouble with copyright owners. Of course people are somewhat biased in their genres, you got the hippie guy, the heavy metal veteran, the funk expert, etc. I usually bring some zoomer spice with some post-punk, dark wave, goth rock, new indie stuff, etc. On my birthday I even insisted we play a song from Sonic Adventure 2 as a joke, you can really do anything. We also try to feature local bands a lot and indie bands that visit the region (including concert reviews)
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@dagda @Nimbius666 @irie

> https://www.freies-radio-kassel.de/live-stream.html
> Aoxomoxoa, the Rock caleidoscope.

Nice!

> I can give you the date when it's set.

Yeah, that would be awesome.

> bring our physical copies mostly and have a legal public broadcasting license for basically playing anything without getting into trouble with copyright owners.

That's awesome!

> On my birthday I even insisted we play a song from Sonic Adventure 2

Pro-gamer move.

> We also try to feature local bands a lot and indie bands that visit the region (including concert reviews)

Yeah, main thing I miss about LA next to the food: really good town for music.
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