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Just remembered this happened.
Lol. it was far worse than I recalled and ofc nobody cares because Some president of the states was supporting them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide
Lol. it was far worse than I recalled and ofc nobody cares because Some president of the states was supporting them
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide
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@allison I woild wish hell into exiatence for these human trash to die a millionpainful deaths.
Honestly Nick Son and Ray Gun are fucking bastartds and almost singlehandedly made this world significantly worse
Honestly Nick Son and Ray Gun are fucking bastartds and almost singlehandedly made this world significantly worse
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@meeper honestly I don't hold the likes of nixon or mcnamara entirely as culpable here, pretty much every bad thing which happened in us foreign policy over the second half of the 20th century was penned by kissinger and implemented by people in kissinger's thrall. there's a reason I was absolutely jubilant at his death and drank myself into a stupor that night.
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Listens to Baroque while coding murder.exe 
newt@stereophonic.space
@meeper it was Nixon (I almost typed Nixos lol). Basically, the Pakistani president at the time wanted to become more recognised internationally, so he made a deal with Nixon to help him befriend Mao Zedong (Nixon wanted some help against the Soviets). In exchange, Nixon et al. turned a blind eye on whatever the fuck was happening in the neighbourhood.
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@newt @meeper Even without Pakistan and the China situation (both heavily supported by Kissinger) it most likely would have happened anyway because India was (on paper and to some extent in practice) a Soviet ally and we could Never, Ever have that (the same blind alley which led us to bitterly opposing Ho Chi Minh even when he was fully predisposed to being friendly to the US, but that's another matter)
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newt@stereophonic.space
@allison @meeper I beg to differ. Hitler's short reign only really affected Europe. There's an opinion that I find interesting that if Britain and France hadn't declared war on Germany in 1939, the war would've ended right there. And then German NatSoc would've soon ran out of money and collapsed on its own.
Then again, without Bolshevism this stuff probably wouldn't have happened to begin with.
Then again, without Bolshevism this stuff probably wouldn't have happened to begin with.
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@newt @meeper I don't find the "if France and Britain did nothing the Third Reich would have collapsed into dust and ashes" argument convincing (at least that variant of it). Fall Grün *could* have done something to that effect, but that was entirely down to much of the general staff planning a military coup against Hitler if it happened. There was no real way of outside parties knowing the mood at the time, and the Munich Agreement dashed those plans in any case.
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@newt @meeper Unfortunately for the economic determinist there are things outside of economics and especially in the case of the Third Reich those were what drove all policy considerations. France and Britain doing nothing would have just given Hitler a free hand in, at best, establishing economic hegemony over Europe by way of things like the Vienna Awards and at worst actually allowed for the full implementation of Generalplan Ost.
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@newt @meeper What I'm saying is that the timescales this works on are impractical for ensuring minimal damage. Hitler got all the way to 1945 with the entire world fighting against him by expropriating the productive capacity of all Europe and there's no reason to assume he couldn't have went further if he, for example, had a reliable and lasting source of oil like Maikop or Grozny (Romania was decent but it couldn't go nearly far enough for Hitler's ambitions)
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newt@stereophonic.space
Edited 4 months ago
@allison @meeper who exactly was trying to ensure minimal damage and minimal damage to what? I don't think this was anyone's goal to begin with.
On a related note, the entire world certainly wasn't fighting Germany. Germany's reach was limited to Europe and maybe parts of Middle East and Northern Africa.
The timeline also doesn't support your position, because in 1939 and 1940 Germany was happily trading with the USSR and had been procuring that oil just fine. The decision to attack the Soviets was only made in the late 1940, mostly due to the failed negotiations about how to partition the former British domain between the two (Stalin kinda wanted too much).
On a related note, the entire world certainly wasn't fighting Germany. Germany's reach was limited to Europe and maybe parts of Middle East and Northern Africa.
The timeline also doesn't support your position, because in 1939 and 1940 Germany was happily trading with the USSR and had been procuring that oil just fine. The decision to attack the Soviets was only made in the late 1940, mostly due to the failed negotiations about how to partition the former British domain between the two (Stalin kinda wanted too much).
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@newt@stereophonic.space @meeper@udongein.xyz
I almost typed Nixos lolMuscle memory is truly scary shit TBH — sometimes I consciously note that: "You should type in a different word, not the one you use more often and are likely to type on autopilot" — and then, when I check the whole sentence that I just typed, I still see the wrong word 🤦
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newt@stereophonic.space
Edited 4 months ago
@allison @meeper
>Any Axis so-called "negotiations" were a stalling tactic and absolutely not carried out in good faith
No political negotiations are ever carried out in good faith. Good faith and politics -- especially international politics -- are mutually incompatible. Do you know how to tell whether a politician is lying? That's easy, his lips move.
>Any Axis so-called "negotiations" were a stalling tactic and absolutely not carried out in good faith
No political negotiations are ever carried out in good faith. Good faith and politics -- especially international politics -- are mutually incompatible. Do you know how to tell whether a politician is lying? That's easy, his lips move.
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@newt @meeper When I say "good faith" here, I mean the outcomes not being predetermined in advance. Obviously every party is going to try claiming advantage over each other by every means practicable to them, the only question is whether that happens organically or (as I said) it's implemented as a stalling tactic in support of a predetermined outcome.
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@newt Goimg back in time so and irraditating jinnah or whatever so he dies before and not immediately after utterly and permantly fucking over south asia
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@newt Anyway whoever it was was a fucking dolt who decided to to support the unhinged islamo-nationalist state get nukes lol. Also desai for being a retard and exposing the intelligence agency folk which had already infiltrated the project and getting the dunce-hat-e-pakistan for his peacemaking efforts
Afaik the pakistani nuclear policy isn't MAD, but like don't provoke us or we will rain hellfire.
Afaik the pakistani nuclear policy isn't MAD, but like don't provoke us or we will rain hellfire.
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