@technicallydifficult @georgia ἀποκατάστασις time

@technicallydifficult @georgia usually rendered apokatastasis

the restoration of all things. it’s a word paul uses to describe what is to come but it generally refers to a sort of universalism a lot of patristic era christians held to (including some church fathers). hell is not vengeance but purification and does not have the final claim on anyone

@technicallydifficult @georgia its a position i got dragged into kinda kicking and screaming lol. i have some nonzero trad instincts and though i would consider it orthodox, it is uncommon in this day. i was trying to argue some theological points based in things that are rather standard and found it to be the clear implication of what i was saying.

among contemporary figures its often associated with david bentley hart but more broadly its associated with christian theologies that thoroughly reject dualism

@georgia @technicallydifficult among church fathers its most associated with st gregory of nyssa

@technicallydifficult @georgia i think the oriental orthodox churches are cooler but i agree with the eastern orthodox church on more 🥀

@technicallydifficult @georgia funny enough my issue with islam is that it seems like the logical conclusion of the evangelical christianity i grew up with

a better implementation of it though imo

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @georgia they told you to fuck off and didn’t explain???

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @georgia :/

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @georgia “ignoring the father and the holy spirit” wym?

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @georgia i mean technically the father and the holy spirit arent separate by the athanasian creed’s view bc there’s only one being but ik thats not what youre talking about here

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @georgia this is uh. a statement. on multiple levels

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @georgia also part of trinity gets my nitpickiness going 😭😭 bc the trinity isnt a matter of partiality. theyre all individually the whole singular essence

@technicallydifficult @georgia egoism mentioned o.o

also . azalea is tempted to talk about its ideas of religion [honestly it has thoughts about the word “religion” itself] but its not sure if thats a good idea/wanted, awa

@technicallydifficult @georgia its thoughts are admittedly pretty scattered, it..

a mix of “it thinks ‘religion’, in the past, meant something closer to ‘ideology’ or ‘worldview’ or ‘lens’ “
“it thinks ‘a god’ is analogous to ‘a concept’ “
…a lot of religion things feel easier to understand for it, when it remembers this?
..it also means theres a Whole Lot more than 150 religions out there :) [“karl marx is a prophet of communism”, etc]

azalea thinks that all the good religions allow oneself to interpret it themselves, and a lot of the [“essence”?? idk] comes from the will/self of those that beleive in it
[you can probably see how the egoism is bleeding in, skdjskdjs]
so if youre looking for “one set of books that explains everything”, youll probably not find it [and tbh yeah azalea doesnt really care at all about religion in that sense]
but if you.. [idk how to finish this thought sndhsj]
awawa

,,,azalea just sort of rolled its own religion/worldview, a weird mishmash of [discordianism / egoism / this one nietzsche-inspired video game / probably something from judaism / monism]
awawawawawa :>

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @georgia i think a lot of difficulty around the trinity comes from the fact that people conceive of God as a thing that exists rather than the Love into which being is written

@technicallydifficult @georgia …part of azalea thinks it understood why this world exists [back in… mid-2024]
like… “looking at this world as it exists . what type of entity would create this world?”
a world that is both “good” and “evil”, so much suffering and so much happiness…
it feels like its . something that wants to create a world thats interesting

..awawa

@technicallydifficult @georgia doll thinks,,
we are it
it partitioned its consciousness, and that became living beings
[…azalea has never been able to wrap its mind around “perception” otherwise. but describing this feeling is probably a little bit of an infohazard skfndjfhsj]

@technicallydifficult @georgia also azalea pictures it as,,,
not a single, coherent entity, but more a formless mass of Light
..a Light which is inside everyone [already!]
,,,,awawa :>

@technicallydifficult @georgia yeah!! :>

..tbh, azalea doesnt see dietary rules as inherently meaningful on their own
theyre more..
things that are meaningful because people believe in them, because the act of following something they beleive in helps [channel? strengthen? actualize?] their belief
[….this also helps azalea avoid getting sniped and feeling like it Has To follow a certain rule ithers set for themselves >->””””” (this has happened before ;; >->)]

,,,awawa!

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @apophis @georgia mid east food when peak east food walks in

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @apophis @georgia i guess

im just joking about ‘mid’

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @apophis @georgia my joke about the word mid or christianity?

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @apophis @georgia tbh it’ll take me a bit to give a decent explanation. Christology isn’t understood through just saying things (there are rigorous definitions for sure but they are products of this process). Christology to me is understood through prayerful navigation.

The short answer is that God is Love, and so to be the existence of Love in the world is to be God and it is to be well. To be Love in the world is to do the will of the Father who is love. It is to love and be loved by the father.

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @apophis @georgia it’s worth noting that we get “God is love” from john who also gave us a lot of the basis for christology and trinitarianism in the start of his gospel account

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @apophis @georgia john’s gospel and his epistles are really useful but christianity isnt something you read. its something you pray and practice and observe through liturgy as well as works in the world and it is understood through that.

I recommend you do give them another read but the thing is, you have read a lot. I dont think youre going to read your way to satisfaction. there isnt some secret sauce and important translation detail thats going to make everything work for any religion. religion brings us into contending with things beyond the world, but its communicated to us by people who are in the world and who are easily distracted by things within the world. and this too is love. love is something done together and that bears things together. love is not what a king of this world exercises over his subjects. it is exercised in leaving such things behind. it is to have ones coronation with a crown of thorns and a dead tree as throne. it is to go into hell yourself for the sake of compassion. it is to be with.

to read the bible is more akin to wrestling with God alongside our forerunners than reading the instructions of a recipe

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @apophis @georgia any translation will do

the biggest thing is to consider what it means for christ to be the logos

@apophis @NotAFemboy @georgia @technicallydifficult when lillian was pseudo-dionysius posting i was kind of uncomfortable with the ideas presented and though i still havent gotten around to reading on divine names, a lot of what lillian picked up from it has had an impact on me

@apophis @NotAFemboy @georgia @technicallydifficult tbh i still kinda use the language of nothing is real except God and God isn’t real interchangeably. im getting at the same idea with both.

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @apophis @georgia i dont see how this is related tbh

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @apophis @georgia i think there’s something self-evidently true here but i also think there’s something to chasing after the underlying truth as a whole community, even if you never get to the end

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @apophis @georgia and because God is love, better understandings of God are applicable to how we pursue love

@technicallydifficult @NotAFemboy @apophis @georgia ah, so not quite how i read it initially and not necessarily self-evident

but i would actually agree even more readily. (with an emphasis on what one would see as right action towards the stranger)