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confidence is attractive, desperation is not. few get this..
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@yew i am overconfident to the point of seeming insane
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@yew I think it speaks ill of one's empathy if they can see a desperate person and pass them over for being desperate. Like so much meat in a market.
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@druid@princess.wedding it's empathetic to lend a helping hand to someone in distress but that mindset one is in is no solid foundation for a relationship.
being "desperate for love" is really bad, it leads to inbalanced relationships that happen just to have someone around.
there's only two endings to this: the desperate either stays in this horrible mindset and never gains any confidence; being emotionally entirely dependent on their partner.
or that person actually does get better and starts to wonder what kind of life they really want to live and what kind of person to share it with.
i would argue it's cruel to start dating someone who's clearly crippingly desperate for any romantic or intimate attention from literally anyone.
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@yew @druid I've been on both sides of this dynamic and it really fucking sucks

Main reservation I have at having a real relationship is that I'd unintentionally put someone through this again
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@yew So what you mean is, it's not your problem and you don't wanna make it your problem. They're not already doing well, so they're not an attractive prospect.

I'm glad that, a long time ago, I allowed myself to become attached to someone who was in a horrible place. It blossomed into something much healthier, for the simple reason that I gave her a chance. If I'd have taken the advice of literally everyone around me (to go for the girl who had her shit together) I would have been sitting here wondering "what if" for the rest of my life. Love isn't a market, it's a thunderbolt.
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@yew hey girl I deport immigrants is that hot

girl: nop
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@yew @druid that's kind of the scary part of being in a relationship. you feel on top of the world like nothing can bring you down, but, if she leaves, your heart will be crushed and you'll feel lower than ever.

Kinda how I think about it.
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@yew @druid idk. I guess some people can have some kind of internal validation where they feel good about themselves alone or with somebody else, but yea I'm not sure how you do that. lol
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@yew @druid >i would argue it's cruel to start dating someone who's clearly crippingly desperate for any romantic or intimate attention

thanks for the laughs and suicidal ideation
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@ra1n @yew No no, you're supposed to pretend that you aren't crushed by it, just like everything else in life. You're supposed to love the grind or whatever, life is linkedin.
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@druid im glad it worked out for you 2.
im not talking about being in a bad spot or not having your shit together im talking about people with next to no social life, no interests/severe depression, who start obsessing over the idea of anyone giving them attention.

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@yew It was worse than that. Many people are worse than that. I can't stand the idea of them being left behind.
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@yew @ra1n It's the only way to pass the check though isn't it?
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@druid@princess.wedding what they need is a friend first and being orbiting your crush is another can of worms especially when they have such low self-esteem to begin with
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@yew @druid @ra1n prob because you have to take responsibility which always is harder to swallow
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@druid@princess.wedding @ra1n@social.freedombits.org what check? being hurt and crying over a breakup doesn't make you any less confident
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@meso@new.asbestos.cafe @druid@princess.wedding nothing happened in my life. i just thought of it because i saw a bunch of "tfw no gf" posts.
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@yew @druid i think a lot of people seem to think being "cute" makes the tfw no gf posts any less pathetic that annoys me
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@yew @druid the real proof is in whether that person you’re helping will actually use that opportunity to turn their life around (growing and striving for life goals together is wonderful), or stays a helpless, ambitionless parasite

and true love also means being able to let go because you’d rather see them happily living the life they want than shackled to you.

a breakup does not hurt nearly as much when you can believe in a happy future for both of you. and finding love is much easier when you don’t need the love of others as a substitute for your own sense of self-worth (in other words, you have confidence)

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@druid @yew
that's just normal woman psychology.
Confidence is nothing more than a behaviorally reinforced conscience, not an idea to believe in. Being of "desperate" conscience just overlaps 100% with not being a 6"2 billionaire vampire / werewolf, the problem is not consciousness, it's being sub-5
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@druid @yew
tl;dr chad is confident because he is chad
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@yew @druid speaking from experience it’s also really easy to fall in love and think you found your soulmate when in reality you’re both just masking and desperately clinging to each other for affection because you never experienced it before and feel alienated and fundamentally different from everyone else in your life

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@druid @yew it feels horrible to leave someone behind all alone, but try as you might, you cannot fix them because their life is theirs to live. it’s easy to give too much of yourself supporting someone like that.

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@dagda@netzsphaere.xyz @druid@princess.wedding it doesn't take being a 6"2 billionare to take regular showers, have interests and socialize (irl!) instead of posting "tfw no gf" and edgy incel memes all day and night ​lainsmile​ literally touch grass
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@yew @dagda @druid
when woman have hot bf:
"classic lookism blackpill moment, every woman is a stupid bitch who only goes for most best good looking of men who's bone structures i analyze day and night because i am not gay"

when woman have ugly bf:
"he definitely has money, there must be some other factor why a dumb stacy would date such an ugly manlet (not gay btw) i cannot fathom real love"
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@dagda @druid @yew chad is a spook is what he is

“confidence” here means having a sense of self-worth that doesn’t depend on constantly getting showered with affection (that does not mean arrogance and overcofidence, it means believing in yourself), it means having some ambition in your life instead of pissing it away while you’re rotting in a cave (you know what you want and you are doing what you can to get it), it means having some agency and the drive to get your shit together and grow as a person (you acknowledge your flaws as something you can influence and work to improve). it means not constantly whining and belittling yourself for how worthless and undesirable you are, but doing something about it and not being afraid of seeking help from others.

you don’t even have to be particularly successful at any of this. just having some fucking zest already makes someone more attractive than 90% of internet losers

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@mia @druid @yew yes and starting to help without being able to help truly will just give false hope ; the person will think hey finally I found help and then will feel betrayed. so yes I'd say it's better to be honest sometimes even if it's mean
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@dagda @druid @yew the entire concept of chad is nothing but a manifestation of your inferiority complex that justifies continuing to act helpless. it doesn’t have to be this way. if i weren’t trans i’d still be a 5’1” manlet with no savings, no car and little success in life. but i guarantee you i would not still be single and whining about foids online because none of that shit matters nearly as much as you think it does.

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@yew @druid
I do but the online thing is just compensation for being the /niceguy/ irl.
People do think I'm funny but I'm careful not to expose my power level, last time some IRL guy deduced I got imageboard brainworms he vented about how he wants to literally rape some alt girl I know, which was rather uncomfortable.
In terms of IRL communities I got goths, leftoids and chaos "people", so I got the choice between being mogged by 6"4 literal vampire, sent to feminist reeducation gulag for asking out a girl or becoming a homosexual computer furry
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@dagda @druid @yew also things like being in shape and dressing well aren’t attractive because we’re shallow creatures, they’re attractive because they signal having intact self-esteem and standards that you hold yourself to

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