Right, so the Iranian Revolution back in the 70s, you guys know how the IRGC took power right? The Islamist forces allied with the marxists and liberals. And then when the Secular monarchy was overthrown, the islamists purged the marxist and liberal factions. They literally pulled a soviet union vs the anarchists switcheroo.

@technicallydifficult the revolution must really have been a tough time. on the one hand you have the red-black alliance (which was always going to end badly, and did end up killing the reds as you point out) and on the other hand you have aryamehr who was basically maduro. turns out khomenei was *also* basically maduro with his "woman = flower :flushe:" nonsense.

@HatkeshiatorTND

The reason I think it's important to point this out is because Islam as an ideology has its own political system fully formed, and it is supremacist and doesn't recognize any competition as legitimate, so the alliance with the left will always be temporary and ill-fated, and yet in the west, the left rushes to support them simply because they have the sasme opponent in the moment, and every time this has been done, it has ended the same way, with the leftists being purged by the Islamic faction after victory is obtained. The islamic faction is only using the left as a means to an end, and that's all it will ever be.

@HatkeshiatorTND

the best case scenario is you get Baathists, and need I remind you, that's Saddam Hussain's party.

@technicallydifficult the footsoldiers of the left may not know this but i struggle to believe the heads of the hydra are truly oblivious.

@HatkeshiatorTND

Having been a muslim, I was in on the conversations on "we're just using the left to islamize america, we obviously don't agree with them on anything". After leaving islam, I try to raise the alarm, and they call me racist. And I'm like, "you fucking morons, they are going to use the power you give them to make the gays illlegal."

@technicallydifficult already happening in parts of the u.k. i recall. muslim mayors getting elected then banning public displays of pride flags, leftists in shambles.
though to be honest, wanting sodomite flags in public places is a strange hill to die on to begin with. i have problems with islam but "they are averse to and have little patience for this specific kind of alternative lifestyle" is not among them, for many reasons among which is the rampant sodomy within islamic countries proving there's really no there there about their gay hate.

@HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult

@HatkeshiatorTND

The lgbt community is the only thing the US left cares more about than muslim feelings. Anywho, I wrote a song about my situation as an ex muslim being canceled for pointing this out:
https://youtu.be/mkxXsYEz3aE?si=tlEPogCLeB1CqmB9

@technicallydifficult >youtube
can't you just share the mkv here?

@HatkeshiatorTND

here

@technicallydifficult nice. lyrics are very passionate and the voice gives them a very clear urgency. you have a gift.

@HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult inb4 ai

@Zergling_man @technicallydifficult the vocals in that one part of the song (very specific i know) definitely have an ai-esque vibrato but that might be my ear playing tricks on me. can you confirm mr. tylenol man

@HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

Suno, because I have a budget and speech impediment. But only until I can do something about it. I write all the lyrics. But I don't have a singer or a recording studio, and I do have a speech problem.

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND I didn't even listen to it

@technicallydifficult @Zergling_man why not openutau?

@HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

chromebook with chrome OS, so everything I do has to be browser based.

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND why would you do that to yourself

@technicallydifficult @Zergling_man can't you just put a better os on it? not familiar woth chromebooks

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND

Originally got the laptop when I had just got out of homelessness so it had to be cheap, to keep up with my zoom appointments and maintain my housing.

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND

I'm gradually building a PC, but parts are pricey , so it is taking me a while.

@HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

Also, one of the bones I need to pick with democrats, is that their solution to homelessness was to build a needle exchange, fix the sidewalk, and build a camp in the desert, and not to fund housing. So I've been put off by liberal politics for a hot minute, even before this issue.

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND I did some quick math at my council's reception a little while ago in response to census data saying that we have about 12x as many foreigners living in our city as homeless people.
Obviously, they ignored it.

@HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

both parties fuckin hate poor people. And if you're not a veteran, an addict, a racial minority, or a battered woman, they don't care about you being on the street, except that you decrease their property values by existing. Disabled and can't afford housing? No help for you.

@technicallydifficult @Zergling_man tell me if this is annoying but i'm genuinely curious. is it really hard to put debian arm on a chromebook? if you have an x86 one, why not an even freer distro like artix or gentoo?

@HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

I'm not a programmer. If I don't get software to work, then I give up, because I'm not that kind of tech nerd. I'm really good with machines and building things. Really bad at software.

@HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

I can use python to make calculators. That's it.

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND

@technicallydifficult @Zergling_man it's not super hard. if you're interested i can walk you through an artix-base-s6 install sometime. it'll take like fifteen minutes and then everything will get infinitely easier forever once you actually start using it.
alternatively if you want "easy fast just works" then you can just snag the iso for artix-openrc-community-qt and you'll be golden. debian arm i'm pretty sure has fairly kitchen-sink flavors too.

@HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult Do you have opinions on s6 vs openrc?

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND

what is this?

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND Card data for a game called Compile. [Not a TCG]

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND

That's npoot something I know anything about.

@Zergling_man @technicallydifficult s6 is correct but openrc doesn't have kitchen sink flavors for s6 last i checked.

@HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult What?

@Zergling_man @technicallydifficult had a schizo moment. i've edited it.

@HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

I'm so confused what you folks are talking about.

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND The rules are basically draft 1/2/2/1 elements (2p only game) then make 3 lines, each of your element cards faces one of opponent's element cards. Take the 18 cards (as found in the json) that make up those three elements and shuffle into a deck, draw 5.
On your turn, take one of four actions:
1) Compile. If any of your lines has a value >=10, discard all cards in that line (including opponent's), flip your element card over. If it was already flipped, instead, draw the top card of the opponent's deck. If multiple meet this condition, I think you get to choose which one. You must compile if able, so rather than being "an action you can take", it's more like "this replaces your turn".
2) Refresh: Draw up to 5 cards.
3) Play a card face-down in any line: Has a value of 2 and no effect.
4) Play a card face-up in the line of its element (if it's one of your opponent's cards, it's still like this, each line has 2 elements afterall). Has value as stated and effects as stated. Cards cover the 2nd and 3rd boxes of cards played before them (so, max 6 cards uncovered at any given time, one per line per player). When a card is played, uncovered or flipped up, box2 triggers. Boxes 1 and 3 are static/triggered effects.
First player to compile all three elements wins.
If you try to draw from empty deck, shuffle discard into it. (If you try to play top card of deck, or do anything else to the deck, while it's empty, it fizzles.)

@HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

I can build a PC, and I know how to use the major operating systems from DrDos to Windows 10. ChromeOS is an absolute shitshow, but I do know how to use it. But, 99% of the apps are browser only. I'm building a Windows PC to run VTuber Studio and my other channel stuff, but although I can use programs, I can't write them or troubleshoot linux. Linux is very hard for me to wrap my head around.

@HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult Elaborate on s6 being correct.

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND Windows is significantly harder to learn than linux.

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man you either die a hero or live long enough to start talking about linux init systems and this thread chose the latter

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND

I have tried 6 different kinds of linux over the years, and couldn't understand it. But I have also been perfectly fine using windows since 3.11. I have used every type of Windows OS that has ever come out. I dislike everything after Windows 2000 pro, but that's just me getting old.

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND

95 and 98 were the glory days.

@HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

My technology baptism was an Apple Macintosh Desktop computer in 1991. I used to play Freddie the Fish.

@technicallydifficult @Zergling_man i'm talking about the flavors of artix gnu/linux (a distribution of gnu which you can put on your chromebook if its processor is x86, or on your future computer). they are various configurations of desktop environments, preinstalled and preconfigured software, and init systems.
you'll find these on artix's official website at artixlinux.org on their download page. base means it comes with barely anything, no gui, no desktop environment, you just get a bare terminal and have to install whatever you want.
cinnamon and plasma are ones that come with a specific desktop environment (respectively, cinnamon and kde plasma) and some preinstalled software to help make things easier. they also use a gui installer that walks you through the whole process of putting artix on your computer. very convenient.
community-qt is the one i would recommend for a complete beginner since it has the maximum amount of preinstalled and preconfigured software, including system utilities like NetworkManager and pacman. the only downside is that it only comes in openrc.
now let's talk about that. whatvare openrc, dinit, runit, and s6? these are different init systems. they run as the first userspace i.e. non-kernel process and are responsible for initializing the userspace environment such as by starting your login manager, display manager, network manager, etc.
each of these is different in scope and structure and i would recommend reading the artix or gentoo wikis for more information about them. the main thing to know is that s6 is a very conceptually pure vision of the init as a supervisor first and foremost, with properties like being asleep indefinitely unless the user explicitly needs something, which make it easier on your machine and much more comprehensible from a tinkerer's pov. it's my favorite of the bunch. openrc on the other hand is much more conservative in the sense of reproducing much of the behavior that users of the preceding sysvinit had come to expect. it's familiar and battle-tested and much easier to find support for, which is why the community distros are built on it.
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@HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult "community-qt" basically means "kde".

@HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

Okay. Is it good for 2D Vtubing and streaming gaming videos and running music mixing software?

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND Probably.

@Zergling_man @technicallydifficult aside from what i said in the effortpost just now, s6's manpage is very convincing and i'm an academic 9cel at heart and love formally verifiable software.

@HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

I need a definitely, not a maybe. Like, maybe, if I can do something very extra, with lots of extra work in terra incognita, I can do more work and maybe get the same result as I could definately get from just using the OS that my required software calls for in the first place...

@Zergling_man @technicallydifficult the iso is about a gig and a half larger. it contains i believe mostly additional qt software that isn't part of kde. i am almost 99% certain it came with rolisteam.org

@technicallydifficult @Zergling_man do you use obs? if so probably better than windows.

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND Upside-down

@HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

windows 10 is absolutely required for Steam. VTube Studio requires iOS or Windows. The PC I'm building is optimized for streaming assuming Windows 10.

You guys are trying to convince me to use an OS I have never heard of, from a series I have historically struggled to understand, which my nesesary software for my job says it will not nesesarily run on, because it is nebulously described as "better", and will "probably" or "maybe" work.

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND wwwwwwwwww

@technicallydifficult @Zergling_man >windows 10 absolutely required for steam
BRO WHAT

@Zergling_man @technicallydifficult absolute grass

@HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult 草すぎるね

@technicallydifficult @Zergling_man brother brother brother.
i give you one guess. no. three guesses. as to what STEAMOS is based on.

@HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

no idea. Steam said it required and only supports Windows 10.

@technicallydifficult @Zergling_man that was because it was obsoleting windows 8.1. steamos is based on arch gnu/linux

@HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

VTube Studio doesn't support linux.

@HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult Only since steamos3. 1 and 2 were based on debian.
Last time I looked, which is already a few years ago, 3 still wasn't available for download.

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND

What I am asking both of you to substantiate, is why I should use an operating system I know nothing about, and haven't been able to use the similar ones in the past, and isn't gauraunteed to do what I need it to do?

Why should I take that risk if I don't have to?

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND Network effect: freedom.

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND

freedom to keep being broke and have a major interruption in my income?

freedom to waste a bunch of effort and get burned out and quit?

freedom to be unable to fix a bug or get help when I don't know how to fix something because it's super custom?

freedom to become homeless again with no saftey net?

Freedom is kinda useless if a breakdown causes you to lose your income.

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND You've made your choice.

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult I heard they dropped it because you can just install steam onto a real OS?

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND

you didn't offer me a viable option or a reason to take it. You just kept saying it was better, but never said how or why it was better, and couldn't show that it would even work.

I'm pragmatic about these things. Show me that it is better and why.

@HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult @Zergling_man works fine for me on arch

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND You've made your choice.

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND

it's not a choice, it is survival. I have bills to pay.

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND You've made your choice.

@HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult >with a &si=<identifiable bullshit>
what a colossal faggot

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND

you made your choice to just recite taqiyya about the linux cult and not substantiate anything. You have no daleel, you just keep making vague claims with no evidence. I didn't choose between 2 things, the choice was made by the needs of my business, and your favorite software not meeting basic requirements.

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult I'm guessing this has the fixes from my transcribal errors?

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND You've made your choice.

@nigger @technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND I believe it.
https://store.steampowered.com/steamos is apparently a mostly blank page but that's normal for steam's website so I won't infer anything from it.

@nigger @technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND I think so yeah.

@HatkeshiatorTND
[sarcasm] Well, that was fun. [/sarcasm]

@technicallydifficult what wasn't fun? why?

@HatkeshiatorTND

Zergling going toxic instead of trying to prove to me what their point was. I had to mute them.

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND You've made your choice.

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult
wow mirror has the worst cards I've ever seen, but mirror 1 is the strongest
time is absurd for combos, psychic lockdown especially, having a flip to activate it.
hate+death is probably going to be my favourite now tho, lots of good stuff for control and discard stun, very little aggro/tempo in the new sets, only unity and diversity for that
I wonder if assimilation mill can be a thing where your opponent will try to complete their third protocol and have no cards to play.
also the bottom of the file and luck 4 ("Deleted 1") have errors

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man being unable to fix a bug is common for proprietary software where you just can't fix it, not for free software where almost always someone else has already solved

@technicallydifficult he* was hardly being toxic. you're a tinkerer at heart, you say, so surely you'd understand why he'd lose patience with you when you insisted on maintaining dependence on inferior, proprietary tools like windows. imagine somebody who wastes thousands of dollars on the latest alienware gamerslop laptops and prebuilts of that ilk. when you tell him: "hey, you realize that's money down the drain, right? you can get equivalent laptops for half the price, or even build a significantly more powerful pc yourself. it's not hard, and you can learn it, and you'll thank yourself forever," he says "now why would i do that? nothing's going to work and i'll have no way to do the things i like." i'm sure if that repeated enough times, even out of sheer empathy you'd eventually get upset.

@nigger @technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND >also the bottom of the file and luck 4 ("Deleted 1") have errors
Thank

>wow mirror has the worst cards I've ever seen, but mirror 1 is the strongest
ikr, except it still doesn't even counter spirit 3 (but it'd be fucking hilarious in conjunction)
Actually come to think of it, love is the counter to spirit: Steal it fast. (Or at least fuck his hand up enough that he can't get the combo out before you manage to steal it.) I guess if opponent picks spirit first, I'd go like... love/plague or smth, then pick up some garbage on the third (water maybe) as love fodder.

>hate+death is probably going to be my favourite now tho, lots of good stuff for control and discard stun
Plague to complete. Corruption as a backup plan, I guess.

>I wonder if assimilation mill can be a thing where your opponent will try to complete their third protocol and have no cards to play.
2 cards from there, 1 from love, I think that's it. 3 may be enough, ESPECIALLY SINCE LOVE 1 WORKS WITH SPIRIT 3

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND @nigger Fucking, spirit/love lmao, put every card in the game into your hand. Add psychic (especially 0), though that doesn't QUITE work out: You can dump their hand into their discard but you can't steal it with anything (I think? Would "draw the top card of the opponent's deck" trigger a reshuffle for them?), and then they refresh and immediately put it back into hand. You've still already won but I'm not sure how to get them to 0 cards.

Also lmao psychic 0 is just a really strong partner to spirit 3 anyway.
Fucking spirit 3, man.

@HatkeshiatorTND

sure would, but that wasn't what was articulated. When I asked for the proof, it was just the same phrase over and over and over. I'm open to the idea of using a different OS, if it can be used for what I need it to do, and if I can wrap my head around it. But I have tried other linux and linux adjacent operating systems in the past and it was torture. And ubuntu bricked a desktop PC once at my farm when I was with my family. It couldn't be used until we put windows on it because the bug was impossible for us to fix ourselves and there was no meaningful help available to have it fixed by an outsider. Debian and redhat and OG linux were also pretty useless for our needs when we ran into bugs. I'm not using this to kill time, it's for a business to try to get out of poverty. But once I start making money, I lose my safety net. So, without a saftey net, it had better work or I'm fucked.

The issues I have, and need assurances for are:
1. if a problem arises, and I can't figure it out, how will I be able to fix it without just losing all my data and reinstalling the OS?
2. how will I make software I need to run my content creation business work on a custom OS if I don't understand the programming languages and there's no tech support for it?
3. I don't actually like windows, but I feel like i have no other options because most software is made to run on it, and it only. So I would need significant assistance to make it work, and simply repeating "this is better" doesn't put money in my wallet or food on my table, it legitimately has to work consistently and reliably or I am very fucked.

@technicallydifficult @nigger @HatkeshiatorTND ohey I just noticed plague 4's text is in the wrong box as well, it's actually box3.

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult
>Committed Cards
Cards...as well as cards being shifted are considered "committed". Committed cards...cannot be selected for any effects while they are committed...

>Shifting a Card
When a card is shifted, ...the shifting card is considered "committed". The shifting card cannot be selected for any effects until its shift is resolved...

spirit 3 can't actually loop, although it would be a good way to get a lot of shifts to get those mills in.

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult psychic is also good because rearranging your opponent's protocols gives you much more time to mill, especially if they've lost the main point sources for their remaining protocol

@HatkeshiatorTND

when people tell you something is good, great or better, but can't explain why, won't explain how to do the thing you need fixed, you have to join and commit to find out, that sounds culty. It doesn't sound like a viable solution to the problem at hand. Like, I just left Islam, I'm not trying to hop into another cult. I'm still trying to deconstruct one "this will fix all your problems, trust me bro" situation where I took someone's word for it. I need evidence before I commit to something now because I got burned before.

@technicallydifficult i honestly don't know what to tell you. you think we're kooky cultists telling you to plunge off of a cliff promising 15% sweeter root vegetables down here, a claim we haven't provided evidence for. in reality, we're trying to tell you climb down from the barren plateau you're stranded on to join the rest of the world. "how do i know my legs will work down there? everything i've ever known is up here on this plateau. everytjing i work with every day is up here. i tried getting down once before and got burned."
ubuntu is a gnu distribution that hates itself. use a real distribution like artix or gentoo. or at least a reasonable compromise like debian, instead of corporate slop that's thinks of you as a toddler.

@HatkeshiatorTND

fair point. I'll look into it.

@HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult I used an ubuntu derivative and it's comical how you silently get different types of packages (real, snap, probably others) installed all from apt, with no indication of what you're installing, whereas on arch you always get real binaries, or a compilation of one from a -git package.

@HatkeshiatorTND

can you translate this? What am I looking at here?
https://suckless.org/sucks/systemd/

@nigger @technicallydifficult mint is arguably better about this, snaps are disabled by default last i checked, though i really haven't looked back since switching to artix openrc.

@HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult @Zergling_man >manpage
for a package I haven't installed that would break my system if I did?

@technicallydifficult ah, yes.
remember those four different init systems i mentioned earlier when discussing which flavor of artix you want to install?
systemd is like the evil version of that.
back when gnu/linux was beginning to get captured by large corporations like IBM/Red Hat, Canonical, SUSE, etc., Red Hat came up with a truly devious idea. they'd make their own init system, and they'd pack it full of useless "features" nobody asked for and make it incompatible with everything else and gradually absorb more and more functionality.
`init` is supposed to start the operating system's userland. systemd does:
- device management via udev
- session, login, and greeting management via logind
- log and journal management via journald
and much, much more i'm now forgetting. most importantly, it does it all terribly and horribly and in a no-good, very bad way. it is designed to windowsify gnu to the point where they recently floated the idea of having a blue screen of death via systemd-bsod (unlike the usual linux kernel panic which provides much more human-readable and debuggable output).

give me a specific paragraph from this webpage and tell me what confuses you. is it jargon of some sort? i'll be happy to explain, but i'm unprepared to rewrite a fairly long webpage without knowing even what % you actually need rewritten.

@HatkeshiatorTND

I don't understand any of it.

I clicked on the "many, many reasons"
blue link to get there from the faq https://artixlinux.org/faq.php

@technicallydifficult okay. if you thought my other posts upthread were a bit long, be prepared. i will respond in maybe circa an hour.

@HatkeshiatorTND

wait wait wait.

I don't understand the home page, so I went to the faq, and clicked what I thought was the clarification, but it's a matroishka doll of things I don't get

@nigger @technicallydifficult @Zergling_man in lieu of the manpage, this might be more helpful https://skarnet.org/software/s6/

@HatkeshiatorTND

Is there a user-friendly explanation (pictures would help, I'm a visual learner)?

@HatkeshiatorTND This thread takes the cake for today’s most interesting one-sided conversation, hands down.

@KingOfWhiteAmerica are you able to see tylenol muncher's posts? if not, poast might be defedded from brain.worm.pink. understandable given the absolute coal fiore churns out like a fuckin machine.

@HatkeshiatorTND @KingOfWhiteAmerica it's because of daniel stevens of ontario, canada posting

@technicallydifficult most of the links on that site are for contributors. there's no tradition in the simple software ecosystem (suckless, catv, etc.) of explaining themselves. it's a good way to gatekeep, but it also leads to this exact situation -- an interested beginner having nowhere to look. i'll include a sentence or two on this in my longpost.

@technicallydifficult i'm writing one. give me a moment.
re: pictures, unless you're comfortable reading software as flow diagrams, i don't really understand where i'd put them.
think of it this way, the old way saw us programmers keep a small kit of a bajillion small, sharp tools that each do one thing well and compose neatly together. sort of like a toolbox of software, with your little screwdriver and your ball-peen and your files of various grains and your hacksaw... we could tell what each did at a glance, figure out how to use them, and chain them togetehr to do marvellous things with ease. we could design our own replacements, or just modify the existing ones to better fit our purposes.
along comes the new way, and this way is way worse. it forces us to learn opaque, baroque tools that we don't know how or where they're made, what their specific purpose is, etc. they're complete messes trying to be swiss army knives by putting all the functionality in a single edge of a single blade -- not how engineering works! you can't audit these tools, you can't become comfortable using them and learn their interesting quirks, no instead you get Error: Sym7131 in Bus Quadrant Sector 8172 and you have to ask a search engine or, heavens forfend, chatgpt to tell you what that means.
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@HatkeshiatorTND

ok. So that's the bloat that slows processing speed in modern computing?

@HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult it wasn't made to be an evil ass init system, it was made because service management with sysvinit was ass and LP put together a system that made sense to him given shit he was tasked with before. then everything else got coupled into that for uniform design, config and management, desirable traits for an operating system, because redhat makes an operating system and doesn't give a shit about their linux brethren.
networkmanager is the exact same shit but you have to be able to count to 255 to cry about that so it mostly avoided scrutiny of hysteric retards and no sensible alternatives have surfaced. if you dig into parts of systemd this is also the case for anything from logind to resolved, which is why systemd is taking over - not evil redhat pulling strings (not entirely anyway)

@menherahair @technicallydifficult i think you agree in this regard with @hunter0one and @mischievoustomato but i vehemently disagree. systemd, wayland, etc. are symptoms of a very deep rot.
for example i use openrc. it works. i don't need anything more complicated.
if you want Muh Peak Corporate Design you can install RHEGS (Red Hat Enterprise GNU/SystemD) or LibreSUSE. why not? oh you don't need half the nonsense in them? oh you're afraid there's too much surface area to attack you? boo hoo.

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @mischievoustomato I don't like systemd but I dislike the claim that redhat launched a free software ecosystem takeover because they're evil and professionals around the world just went "ig" even more. redhat just does what corporations do and the takeover is purely opportunistic because nobody gives a shit about the code, digital supply chains, or defending from corpos. those are the real issues, stone as many LPs as you like but this shit will keep happening if you don't fix them and shouting at people NO DON'T LOOK IT'S TAINTED is never fixing them

@technicallydifficult >systemd is the best example of Suck.
this should be self-explanatory, but suck is these guys' word for software that's too complicated and tries to be too clever instead of just having a single, clearly defined purpose and executing it precisely. they aren't all talk either. their whole schtick is that they make software out the wazoo that conforms to their ideals so you know exactly what they mean when they say something "sucks". @dcc would be the guy to ask about the details of the suckless philosophy since he, to my knowledge, is fairly involved in those circles.
you mentioned you don't understand a lot of stuff on these guys' website. that's because they're enthusiasts and they're writing for enthusiasts, not beginners. i promise it's not too difficult to understand if you just stick around, though i fully understand if this isn't your interest in the first place -- not everybody cares about minimalism, and you seem to care more about your software working than about the minutiae of correct design. still, i recommend understanding it for the same reason i try to understand meter and music theory -- for its own sake and out of respect for any future works you might consume, that you may appreciate the craft behind them.
>There is a menace which is spreading like a disease throughout the Linux world, it is called systemd.
again, self-explanatory. these guys don't like systemd. more on that in a minute.
>Short Historical Summary
>systemd is a replacement for the standard init command, which normally runs as process id 1 on initialisation of a UNIX bootup.
you boot up your computer, and one of the first things that runs is this init system thingy. its job is to start and manage certain processes that need to be started and kept alive at bootup, such as (again) your display manager, your network manager, etc.
systemd is a piece of software that is written for this purpose. it is therefore in the same category as s6, openrc, etc. you can only have one init system at a time.
>There has been a movement, especially around the Red Hat-related developers to copy Microsoft Windows and all of its features.
this is a relevant tangent. the author is setting up the antagonist. red hat is an "open source software" organization whose purpose is the corporatization and goysloppification of gnu.
>Now this interpretation of how a userspace should look like is implemented and was introduced with big criticism and change in the Open Source world into many distributions.
the phrasing here is kind of esl, so i'll reword it somewhat: this idea of having a 1:1 windows-like experience, down to the impossible-to-debug errors, is a massive and unwelcome change in the world of free software and unix-like operating systems. we didn't want it, but corproate pressures and funding all seemed to force it through anyway.
>The debacle in Debian is the best example in how to not introduce such a changing technology into a distribution.
this is a historical anecdote. the way debian pushed systemd as its only available init, in what i can only describe as the software equivalent of a tiktok trend, despite anybody with two braincells to rub together telling them this was a horrible idea and completely unprincipled, was truly a sight to behold.
>What PID 1 Should Do
>When your system boots up the kernel is executing a given binary in its known namespace. To see what are the only tasks the application running as pid 1 has to do, see sinit.
sinit (suckless init) is the suckless guys' init system. like everything else they make, it's hilariously simple and promises nothing other than functioning and being modifiable.
>The SystemD Platform: an Unbiased Critique
this is a dead link, goes nowhere for me, i don't know what is supposed to be here. presumably a restatement of everything that's already been said.
>systemd breaks POSIX IPC
posix is the iso standard to which most modern unix-likes conform. ipc is interprocess communication. posix provides a standard way for processes to talk to each other, and systemd treats this standard with flagrant disregard, breaking functionality. as discussed in the github issue this links to, this makes it difficult to let systemd work with third-party software. for example, i have an init script to run the i2p router, followed by another init script that runs my eepsite server feohtan forked from darkhttpd. i am fairly certain that it would not be as simple to set this up on systemd and that i'd need to carve out special exceptions to run it as a systemd service.
>systemd-logind deletes your message queues
>systemd breaks the mouse(again)
these are fairly arcane treatments of bugs that are hideously relevant to the end user. you want to be able to read message queues and use your mouse, but systemd frequently breaks these exact things.
>systemd does {,U}EFI bootload
>Should systemd's PID be changed from 1 to a negative, or imaginary, number? It now exists before the kernel itself, during a bootup. See also systemd-boot.
this is a tongue-in-cheek statement but the criticism is serious. why is systemd putting itself before boot? it is supposed to initialize software. as in the second of my pictures, what the fuck?
>systemd replaces sudo and su
>Please note the command name, machinectl and its features at the manpage. In exchange for a program which contains sudo, su and kill (and does some functions which historically ssh/telnet did), bare metal users have a tons of bloat and a lot of things to disable, if even possible, useful only to people which deal with virtual machines.
sudo and su are two different ways of achieving the same thing: privilege escalation and de-escalation when executing certain commands. for instance, if you want to move a file into /usr/bin, which in my experience is always write-protected, you can't do that as a normal user. you need to prove you are the administrator of your system. this makes less (but not zero) sense on a single-user laptop but it is very important for shared workstations, which is what unix-likes were originally for.
second line is further context. you're trading the convenience of multiple tools who all have exactly one job they do well for some bloated jack of all trades that doesn't even get used unless you're one specific kind of poweruser
>systemd-journald can do log-rotate
>...
the rest of these are more complaints about systemd doing stuff it has zero business doing. worth noting the following:
>systemd-nspawn can patch at will any kind of file in a container
>Paired with transient units and user escalation performable remotely, this can mean that if you house VPS instances somewhere, your hosting provider has means and tools to spy, modify, delete any kind of content you store there. Encrypt everything, read your TOS.
to reiterate: the base complaint is that if you use docker or any equivalent SYSTEMD CAN JUST PATCH WHATEVER IT WANTS INTO AND OUT OF THAT CONTAINER.
imagine having a software that can do that. running constantly. BEFORE EVEN THE FUCKING KERNEL. now imagine if somebody gave you a modified version with a vulnerability. now imagine somebody figured out how to exploit that vulnerability and put INFINITY MORE VULNERABILITIES ON YOUR SYSTEM.
and now finally realize that IBM/Red Hat has EVERY INCENTIVE ON PLANET EARTH to put backdoors into systemd.
look up whose side IBM was on in the early half of world war two. do you trust that corporation?
>systemd locks down /etc and makes it read-only
/etc is a directory (the correct word for "folder") which contained all miscellaneous files on unix. in unix descendants such as gnu (including gnu/linux), convention has gradually become that /etc contains configuration files that tell various system applications how to behave. these include your shell, your package manager, etc.
/etc also contains information about your timezone, certain system libraries, who can and cannot use sudo (recall, sudo is how you do what normal users aren't permitted to), etc.
systemd once made this read-only. i don't think it does anymore but i wouldn't be surprised if it still did. read-only means you can't change it, full stop.
>systemd hates when you adapt your system (graphics on other than vt1)
linux (yes, linux, this is one of the only things linux does that anything approaching the median user will interact with) gives you multiple virtual terminals. they're bare screens with no windows or decorations of any sort, just a command line.
ideally, i can run `Hyprland` or `startx` on any of them and see a graphical session pop up.
i can do that now.
systemd wouldn't let me do that.
>systemd was introduced to decrease the boot up time. Now that they do not understand all implications and dependencies, let us add some artifical time we found out might work for the developers laptops. More on this small world hypothesis of the systemd developers below.
worth dwelling on this line because it's hilarious. small world hypothesis of systemd developers is a jab at how, mysteriously, systemd adds and removes features based on what would be most convenient for its own developers. almost as if there's only one group of users they care about...
>screen brightness
>Screen brightness is something that should crash your boot up when it is not working.
presented without comment.
>hostnamed
>There really should be a process running which exposes the content of a file. Complexity is without cost.
i trust you're starting to understand the flavor of bitter sarcasm here. that bitterness is hard-won. systemd worked hard to turn people against them. ibm/red hat killed their credibility, and, in their own words: "we worked hard to kill it."
>seqnum removed
>The sequential ordering of requests was one reason why udevd was introduced. Now remove it, because the developer laptops do not have a problem anymore.
this supports the small world hypothesis disucssed above.
>sysv removed
>We have won. Now remove all remains of our defeated enemy as fast as we can. As said in the beginning of the systemd crusade against the UNIX infidels: »You can patch it out.« It is no more there.
sysv was an old unix suite, comprising notably its own init system sysvinit. it predated systemd which was based on taking sysv, and tearing every seam and fissure in it wide open into gaping holes in the fabric of spacetime. also, because such would not produce enough holes, systemd imported more holes from elsewhere.
this line is a jab at systemd for removing the last of the legacy sysv code from systemd -- which feels more like a māori mocking the shrunken head of his slain foe than serious software engineering.
>abnormal processes
>Now systemd is getting deep into philosophy. What is »abnormal«? Well, let us just define it. There is no technical merit to accept this.
again, ibm think they know better than you.
>journald
>This is a bit longer. Because the systemd developers were not able to contribute to any syslog daemon they had to write their own with some binary format so the principle of being able to read your log files after a critical crash was violated. To be nice invaders the old systems were allowed to order the system log through the specified mechanism. Now that they implemented our specifics, turn off the neutral syslog delivery. You will see this pattern of »now that we conquered your culture, obey« more often in systemd.
no comment
>systemd-terminal
>Why does the kernel have tty handling? So in serious situations you will be able to debug it over the last standing PIN on your motherboard. Let us remove this, run it in pid 1.
no comment
>Timezone hack
>systemd is too complex for such a simple transaction with the kernel. Do not inform the kernel and add another assumption which is only documented in the changelog.
no comment
>the web is a session
>For the future generations: In 2015 nearly everyone was trying to connect all you do to the web. In the UNIX model it is just a client which should be simple and integrate into the system. systemd is doing it the other way around and does integrate itself into the web.
again, no comment.
>We have taken over your culture, now die! Another flaw in the systemd small world theory: When something is getting optional it will be removed.
this is preserved orphaned because it is simply eternally relevant.
>X11 in systemd
X11 is a protocol that lets certain applications present as windows if an x11 session is currently running, managed by the user through the window manager.
why does my init system speak something like X11 which is a good five, six layers of abstraction above its pay grade?

>Practical systemd
>Here is what happens on a stock Arch Linux system, powered by systemd, when a non-root user tries to restart the system:

>$ reboot
<Failed to set wall message, ignoring: The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any .service files
<Failed to reboot system via logind: The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any .service files
<Failed to talk to init daemon.

>In contrast, here is the equivalent error message on a system powered by runit:

>$ reboot
<init: fatal: unable to create /etc/runit/stopit: access denied

>And on the oldest and best, Slackware:

>$ reboot
<reboot: must be superuser.

>systemd is driving "just google the problem" attitude, because how the hell are you expected to troubleshoot this kind of error otherwise?

this section is self-explanatory. if you don't understand, the point is that when something goes wrong, the error message should tell you what you did wrong and give you a way to fix it (to the extent that is possible)
slackware does this.
runit does this, kinda. "access denied" tells you that you want to do an auth step.
systemd does not do this. it vomits numbers and words at you.

@technicallydifficult yes, bloat is one part of it. bloat just means something's bigger than it needs to be, tries to do too much, accounts for too much special-case behavior, when it could simply be more general by default and extended by the user per his/her wish.
suckless guys use suck more broadly. they mean not only:
>it's too big
but also:
>it doesn't work half the time
>the code is a mess
>it doesn't play nice with any other program
>it has unpredictable behavior
in short it's a bigger problem than just bloat.

@HatkeshiatorTND

okay... that eats up ram, and slows down my video games, yes?

@menherahair @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @mischievoustomato ibm/red hat are not mustache-twirling cartoon villains, sure, and i can be convinced they're not scheming (though i've seen enough gloating around the xorg-xserver and wayland situation that i struggle to believe this isn't at least in some part a contempt-fuelled act of vandalism, like what they did to the bobby lee statue in charlottesville) but you can't really convince me money isn't behind this. you will never convince me that proprietary software vendors are not acting on the obvious incentive to subvert the free software movement.

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @mischievoustomato

yeah, corpos are very bad. They lobbied to make it illegal to eat garbage because they thought people eating garbage was cutting into grocery store profits. It wasn't. Those guys just ate less.

@technicallydifficult it means your video games have to be designed around the flaws built into your system in ways that make them incredibly inefficient, yes, and unable to implement entire classes of features.

@HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult @Zergling_man I don't know enough about init to understand what is going on there, although part of the system being represented as a state machine as based at least, sounds like suckless for init, although you use openrc?

@technicallydifficult systemd specficially is maybe 0.001% as bad as windows in this regard, but that's an unfair picture of how grotesque and ugly systemd is. it should be rooted out entirely.

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @mischievoustomato

So, steam, and by extension, its games, will run on a PC that has Artix as its OS. How are the compatibilities for peripherals like cameras and microphones and will a powerful GPU like a nvidia GeForce 6070 play nice with it?

@nigger @technicallydifficult @Zergling_man suckless for init already exists and is called sinit. but you're right, s6 is absolutely based and better than sinit because it rethinks init on principle.
i use openrc because i'm a moron and used the fattest iso on the downloads page (community-qt) back in august '25 when i switched from mint -> artix and that only supported openrc.

@HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult @Zergling_man absolutely niggardly. I tried that thinking I could slim it down but the bloat was immense. LARBS is also the best DE

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @mischievoustomato as far as fsf is concerned all redhatware is halal because it's gpld, that's the issue. gpl does its job admirably for the most part but things I mentioned - code quality, digital supply chains, defending from corpos - are largely considered out of scope for fsf. now, if there's nothing else in the larger free software movement addressing these, you can't really blame the wolf for doing wolf things and exploiting them for gain, it's on (You).
taming the wolf is left as an exercise for the reader

@menherahair @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @mischievoustomato

dogs are haram. (najas)

edit: this is a joke. my humor is kinda fucked up.

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @mischievoustomato @technicallydifficult I'm logging off and possibly for the better part of the week so just to reiterate: you can say systemd is ass but I think that's easily disputed. you can say redhat is behaving in their interest but that's kind of a truism. "redhat made bad software and tricks people into using it" is a retarded fucking rhetoric though I wish I didn't have to hear from otherwise reasonable people. there's probably a billion approaches to this that doesn't involve calling for the impossible in holocausting redhat and then every other color of hat that comes after to keep computing in 1990. taken further, maybe there's actually no issue with this and there's a clear limit to systemd's encroachment. maybe I'm wrong about the underlying issues and we can do our own badly coded monolithic init service management suite with gnus and hookers to no detriment. maybe we live in kali yuga and there's no conceivable way to prevent this. please anything but "da computer joos!!"

@menherahair @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult why am i in an autistic thread

@mischievoustomato @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair

bro, I was legit just trying to tell leftists to stop collaborating with islamic extremists and it turned into programmer autism vs theology autism wrestling match.

@nigger @technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND It can loop, because it specifically says "after you draw cards". It does its shift, lands, the card it uncovered does the draw, it jumps up again.
Unless the timing on box2 is before it finishes shifting, but even in that case the effect should still queue up and resolve once its shift finishes?

@HatkeshiatorTND @nigger @technicallydifficult Alright I'm convinced.
Although I do recall s6 being a massive pain the the ass to use, all I wanted was to get sshd running on system start. But given this, learning it is worth it.

@mischievoustomato @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair
do-for-migu.jpg

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @mischievoustomato

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult it is committed to move, the card it uncovered draws, it does no shift because it's not on the board, it lands

@nigger @technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND We went over this in detail with fire 0 (box 3 specifically).

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @mischievoustomato

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @mischievoustomato

if you haven't heard this song from the Amelia-verse yet:
https://youtu.be/vo20pwWR1zE

@menherahair @HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult @mischievoustomato Yes exactly, before systemd almost everybody was using Red Hat's sysvinit tooling. Not because they are evil, but because it worked. Now its the same with systemd, even if I think there are better alternatives

@HatkeshiatorTND @nigger @Zergling_man @technicallydifficult There is no shame in OpenRC. When I used Fartix with it I think its the most beautifully designed, even over runit or Nitro. Fun fact, I made Nitro packages for PCLinuxOS.

@hunter0one @Zergling_man @nigger @technicallydifficult it's great in that it's simple, but having fucked around with s6 in a live session a couple times, and more importantky having read the documentation, i must say i much prefer the feel of s6.

@Zergling_man @HatkeshiatorTND @technicallydifficult that doesn't work either, the draw happens before it is covered, so spirit 3 doesn't exist yet

@HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man @nigger @technicallydifficult I think we disagree on the family of init system then because fundamentally thats the difference between them. As far as I know, s6 is a daemontools-inspired init like runit or nitro. I dont have any other reason to dislike this besides that its too muh different. OpenRC works a lot more like the BSD init or pre-existing sysvinit, but with a bunch of QoL improvements and sane changes. Ideally one day I will be running FreeBSD on everything so I have far more reasons to want to stick with this (I say as Im using systemd)

@hunter0one @HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

what's the best linux distro for streaming myself playing videogames that are explicitly made for windows as a complete n00b who does youtube for a living?

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man You can do that on any distro so it doesnt really matter. I use openSUSE (either version) and find it a good all-rounder but take that with a grain of salt. The first one I used was Mint.

@hunter0one @HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man

I can't program for shit. Which one do I not need to go beyond script kiddie level tech ability?

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND @Zergling_man You dont have to on either. They both have graphical tools to update the system and button clicking installers.

@nigger @technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND Ok fine.

@menherahair @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @mischievoustomato i was going to write an effortpost but i thought it'd be worth waiting for you to come back instead of assuming what you think and ending up arguing with myself.
are you saying:
>no, chud, the somalians didn't conspire to loot your country and rape your women
>you just failed to have protection against the mass importation of unimaginably heterogenous, unintelligent, high time-preference, low-trust populations into your homogenous nation of intelligent, patient, trustworthy Whites
>and now they're here to stay
>this is like blaming foxes for raiding the chicken coop

i then disagree fundamentally. yes, guarding the chicken coop would have been strategically sound. yes, White nations should never have thought they could civilize others, nor especially at the pace they tried to do this, and they should never have felt it their duty to try. yes, grandma should have excercised level 99 discernment to scrutinize the scam call that was designed specifically to lower her guard.
but even if actor a made a mistake and actor b pounced, there is such a thing as aesthetics, and actor b ought to offend your sense of what is beautiful in this world. you ought to defend the honorable naïf, the man who was mugged for walking through the no-go area, the girl who got abducted by pakistani rape gangs because she happened not to know they operated in that specific restaurant, etc. you ought to want to behead those who do bad things to good people. chrematists, usurers, rapists, and their ilk in software and everywhere ought to be hanged.

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @mischievoustomato software is not an occupied nation, it's a community of professionals that came to be in equally hostile environment and has successfully defended itself by providing superior solutions as far back as gnu project and as recently as various media codecs because you actually *can* just make your own government and exercise great discretion at every point that matters. so I think it's a misguided rhetoric for this reason
(I wouldn't say this about internet infrastructure but we're not talking about internet infrastructure)

@menherahair @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @mischievoustomato >you actually *can* just make your own government and exercise great discretion at every point that matters
which means your point is now:
>stop complaining and write something better than systemd
why should i? just upthread, we've listed at least five different init systems that i can guarantee are architecturally superior to systemd in every concievable way, to wit runit, dinit, openrc, s6, and sinit. i'll even give you another bonus one: shepherd.
and you can and always have been able to have a massive superset of systemd's alleged "features" by:
- using existing tools that play nice with each other and everything else because they aren't designed for vendor lock-in
- writing your own tools
>but then why did people adopt systemd?
why won't they un-adopt it, given better solutions are available now? axiomatically derive from first principles why, if i were designing a new distro from scratch, i should use systemd instead of s6 or openrc. presumably there's no reason, so why not simply remove systemd and replace it with these objectively better solutions?
answer: that takes effort. people don't just do stuff like a random walk through the space of all possible life choices, they do what they value. that value typically lies in enjoying good times and cold beers with friends. the only way to change that is by offering them money to do what you want. red hat had money and funded the adoption of its inferior technologies to the exclusion of the pre-existing superior technologies. we aren't doing the inverse.
there are schizo autist exceptions like xlibre, which is actually highly instructive. it is objectively superior not only to wayland but also to xorg, but it isn't supported by major distros and major wms are increasingly *actively spending effort removing x11 session support* not because they're flaming fucking retards but because enrico wiegelt did not gild their marble palaces and somebody else did.
want to know where else we're getting our asses kicked where you can, likewise, make your own government? culture, especially video game development. nobody is playing libre video games. every video game anybody (reasonably neurotypical) hears about is filled to the brim with trannies and niggers. why is this? why did anita sarkeesian win? because anita sarkeesian courted capital and by extension the u.n., while we were busy doing exactly what you recommend and getting our hands dirty. chudware is and will forever remain obscure until the ocean tints red in global war and each and every one of these parasites is driven before the blinding light of the sun and flain to the bone.

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @mischievoustomato if you talk to people who actually choose to use systemd they don't think openrc with extra tools is a viable alternative and s6 is too hoe scaring for other reasons. I think things may easily course correct for xlibre and dinit adoptions though.
and I don't think you're portraying culture accurately here. art is entirely downstream from politics, technology not so much

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @mischievoustomato @technicallydifficult there's contrary scenarios where systemd wasn't adopted because it was in fact considered an inferior option like alpine too (musl troubles as far as I understand) so please don't ignore them

@menherahair @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @mischievoustomato technology and art are different frain ends of the same rope. as you reach closer and closer to mokṣa, these frain ends braid together until, as a boḍḍisatta, you recognize that the mona lisa and the korn shell are the exact same thing.

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @mischievoustomato

@menherahair @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @mischievoustomato the xerox alto was a watercolor painting

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @mischievoustomato

This is a christian page, please no slurs here.

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair @mischievoustomato your words are so inane that theyre beneath sophistry. if you were genuinely on the bodhisattva path or cared for moksha you wouldnt be so full of hate you want there to be a global war over gamergate

@georgia @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair @mischievoustomato so true queen hey quick question how much do your charge if i want to sound your gock with a nuclear cobtrol rod

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair @mischievoustomato how trite. of course youre correct, I sure do have a penis. multiple penises even! but I store my hemipenises inside my body most of the time so its not obvious except when im mating.

@georgia @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair @mischievoustomato did you pass the second grade? you didn't answer my question.

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @georgia @mischievoustomato

hai hai, soko made da. Please don't insult my friends.

@technicallydifficult @hunter0one @menherahair @georgia @mischievoustomato you didn't hesitate to uncharitably call mine toxic. at least i haven't muted xim/xam/xom.

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair @georgia im somehow between crossfire

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @georgia @mischievoustomato

he was repeatedly repeating a shut-down phrase instead of explaining his position when asked to clarify, that is manipulative behavior. And I only muted him until he stopped doing it.

I was trying, apparently in vain, to impress upon you guys that I needed more information (that I could actually parse as a software neophyte) as to *why* I should choose to use a different OS, because there's a significant risk to my finances if it breaks. That is not a minor concern. And I was undecided. And remain undecided. I must mitigate the risks to survive. Freeware doesn't tend to have the same risk mitigation assistance that corporate software does, So I need further assurance that it won't break in the first place, in language I can understand as someone who is arts and humanities autistic, and not tech autistic. Asking for this should not have resulted in what he said. My response was therefore warranted. And I did not insult him, I only temporarily muted him and stated the reason.

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @georgia > So I need further assurance that it won't break in the first place

In my experience with linux on what would be considered the most "just works hw", you can sort of be fine, but there's a nonzero chance some showstopper bug happens. I didn't read the rest of the thread and I'm not gonna do it though.

@technicallydifficult @hunter0one @menherahair @georgia @mischievoustomato for a self-proclaimed autist, you sure seem incapable of understanding that not everybody has the exact same tolerances for all social situations as you.

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @georgia @mischievoustomato

it's more like, my social tolerance ran out and I shielded myself from something very frustrating I couldn't deal with. Also only know my own tolerances, not other peoples'. I'm not a mind-reader.

@mischievoustomato @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @georgia

Most of this thread doesn't make sense anyways. You're not missing out. It was supposed to be about the incredible danger of being political allies with muslims when you are not muslim. I was prepared for the political and theological arguments that might arise from that.

I was not prepared to have my peripheral acquaintances try to get me to switch to freeware at great financial risk if it fails, and not be able to provide much in the way of reasoning for why beyond avoiding inefficient processing and improving security. Those are both desirable, but the risks are also large, and I haven't seen any material presented on how to mitigate those problems that could result in homelessness in the worst case scenario. Once I start making money over a certain amount, I will lose my safety net, so it's imperative that the income is steady and sufficient. That's literally the most important thing, success. Not bragging rights. Not a boast about doing it the best way. Not that it sucks less. First and foremost, it must work for me to stay housed. So I have to find the most reliable option. It must be compatible with all my hardware and all the required software for my business. I must be able to get help fixing it if it buggs out. I'm an ordinary end user, not a software engineer. So it has to be user-friendly, and I need to be able to trouble-shoot it myself. These aren't unreasonable asks.

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @georgia literally just use the most supported thing imo. Bespoke shit only is there if you want it. Have a great day

@mischievoustomato @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @georgia
Windows 10 it is.

@mischievoustomato @HatkeshiatorTND @georgia @hunter0one @menherahair

I can debloat the windows https://community.spiceworks.com/t/windows-10-bloatware/639690/32

@menherahair @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @mischievoustomato GNU shepherd already exists.

@Suiseiseki @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @mischievoustomato
what's that?

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @mischievoustomato A GNU init system with service management; https://shepherding.services/

It was originally developed for GNU/Hurd, but it's also used for GNU Guix.

@technicallydifficult @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @menherahair @Suiseiseki suiseiseki is a turbofreetard, for your own wellbeing, you should avoid their recommendations

@mischievoustomato @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair I'm a supercharged freevance.

@Suiseiseki @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair @mischievoustomato Is supercharging open source? You're essentially flatpacking an increased air/fuel mix

@Wiz @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair @mischievoustomato None of those proprietary words are of any relevance.

The air is being compressed via power from the engine, allowing more fuel to be burned completely within the chambers.

@Suiseiseki @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair @mischievoustomato ok, but I've been doing the math and there's no way your engine could have cleanly burned 6 million litres of fuel in that amount of time, even if it was running at high RPM 24/7.

@Suiseiseki @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair @Wiz @mischievoustomato sidenote: why would i ever use this? whatever energy i'm putting into compressing the air, say X J, am i really getting some surplus energy of Y J relative to unsupercharged operation such that Y > X? seems to violate entropy if so, and waste my energy if not.

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair @Suiseiseki @mischievoustomato you simulate having a larger cylinder but without the mass required to do so, allowing for more power from less space.

There, entropy preserved.

@Wiz @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair @Suiseiseki @mischievoustomato i'm obviously not disputing that if the engine was capable was K watts unsupercharged and does K' watts supercharged, that K' > K.
i'm just saying that, even if you just read suiseiseki's own message, he's saying there's some N watts that you need to supply to keep the engine in supercharged mode.
now is K' - K > N? because if so, it would seem like you're saying "i can take a system that produces energy at a rate of K watts, and by giving it N watts extra, i can make it produce not K + N, but K + N + C watts for some positive C" which seems to violate something.
maybe i'm misunderstanding. after all i'm no engineer.

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair @Suiseiseki @mischievoustomato Scrolling up, this is a 2 day old post about the Iranian revolution. How you got to energy preservation is beyond me, I just saw GNU/Car Autsim on the TL.

If you actually want to know how superchargers work I can do that, but I think you're probably looking for logic in a troll thread.

@HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair @Wiz @mischievoustomato A supercharger allows an engine to burn more fuel in a shorter amount of time, which doesn't violate energy conservation.

The parasitic load on the engine saps a lot of the extra power, but it pays off as you get more power than having a larger cylinder, as you don't suffer the drawback of more weight from the extra metal required to have a lager cylinder than stays intact.

Turbocharging is generally more popular, as that utilizes the otherwise wasted power of the exhaust gas, although of course there is some level of backpressure from the turbine.

Turbochargers have lag (big turbochargers a lot), as it takes a while for the turbine to spool up and start compressing a significant volume of air, while superchargers have no lag.

Typically when lag is wanted to be avoided, a dual turbo configuration is used - with a small turbine for low speed and a large turbine for high speed, or dual super and turbocharging, with a small supercharger for low speed (no exhaust back-pressure and minimal parasitic load) and a large turbo for high speed.

@Suiseiseki @HatkeshiatorTND @hunter0one @technicallydifficult @menherahair @mischievoustomato Usually the confusion comes from people not understanding the increased energy comes from the extra fuel. The compressor, either turbo or super, is just giving you the extra air you need. That's how you can take the parasitic hit from the energy required to compress the air and still come out on top.